Where do you stand on QB Ty Simpson?
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Yeah, that place was a free for all. I tried it off and on for a few years. The vitriol make it unbearable. I heard they shut it all down and moderates it much tighter these days.
If McVay and co got Bradford in as a rookie things would have turned out a whole lot different IMO. He was thrown to the wolves with the worst offensive minds in the NFL running the show and drafting based on size and speed. Lots of "projects".
McVay with a young Bradford and S Jackson would tear it up. I have said this before, some plays the only receiver running a route was Brandon Freaking Gibson. If he was covered it was throw the ball away. The Rams had armatures running the show.
Now Sam did not throw with a lot of anticipation. Did not lead receivers very well. Its like they had to be completely open and he got the ball to him and was tackled right away.
A coach like McVay fixes things like that. The game where Bradford got hurt was in Carolina. Ole Janoris, Baby Daddy started running his mouth to Mighty Mouse. I was like, no, no not that guy Jackrabbit. There whole team got fired up as it tended to happen Steve Smith got pissed. That LB gave Bradford a little extra shove out of bounds when he did not have to and Sam was never the same.
Bad times.
Maybe. We'll never know but I'm not so sure Bradford had the balls for the job. He always struck me as the business-like player, like Roger Dorn in the movie Major League.
Which, btw, stole the Rams storyline of the shit ass female owner trying to move the team.
The more I watch Ty Simpson interviews and watch his play, the more I like him. His head is screwed on straight. Appears very smart, for a coach like McVay its VERY important.
Physically while he is not 6'3"-4" as I would prefer. He is not small, kinda thick and put together, good sized mitts for not fumbling the rock. Kid has wheels too. Gym rat in his DNA and he appears to have play-memory like his head coach which is sort of freaky.
I do not think he has a lot of chance to fail in him. And McVay is going to make sure of it.
This is sort of the young QB I have been hopping for the Rams to draft. Sean will be highly invested in him succeeding and stick around and retire as a Rams coach in his 50s-60s and go into the HOF with half dozen OR MORE rings.
Meanwhile Stafford can get a ring or two before he retires and goes to the HOF with several rings for himself.
I think good times are ahead for us and its going to be glorious keeping the 9ers and Hawks down at the same time. Enjoy your ring Hawks because we have something for ya.
Physically while he is not 6'3"-4" as I would prefer. He is not small, kinda thick and put together, good sized mitts for not fumbling the rock. Kid has wheels too. Gym rat in his DNA and he appears to have play-memory like his head coach which is sort of freaky.
I do not think he has a lot of chance to fail in him. And McVay is going to make sure of it.
This is sort of the young QB I have been hopping for the Rams to draft. Sean will be highly invested in him succeeding and stick around and retire as a Rams coach in his 50s-60s and go into the HOF with half dozen OR MORE rings.
Meanwhile Stafford can get a ring or two before he retires and goes to the HOF with several rings for himself.
I think good times are ahead for us and its going to be glorious keeping the 9ers and Hawks down at the same time. Enjoy your ring Hawks because we have something for ya.
Great Post by RockRam, on the Simpson pick.
RockRam
Acquiring a good to elite level NFL QB is pretty tough. And, as each team approaches the matter, we can see the perils of their decisions and approaches.
Which would you rather be? Paying whatever you have to, and going year to year, to hang onto the league MVP and Superbowl champion QB or making demands that the player is unwilling to accept?
Waiting until you are desparate or planning ahead and getting the guy you want as quickly as possible?
Acquiring a young draft pick QB that might sit a couple of years, who the HC believes has exactly the right traits his offense requires? Or, sitting back and hoping in the next draft (or two) you'll find an even better one?
Or, thinking you'll find a way in a year or two to get a Superstar or near Superstar QB to leave his team for LA?
The alternative is to be the Browns. Or the Jets. Or the Steelers. The Browns have several QBs, none of which will they likely ever to be able to count on.
The Jets keep waiting, waiting, waiting....
The Steelers.... well, I don't have any idea what the heck they are thinking. They don't know if they have a starting QB or not. They keep believing Rogers will want to come back, but he won't say. They didn't go out to acquire a reasonable alternative, so they are fully dependent... Rogers or bust.
Getting a QB is never nice and neat. Keeping them is equally as hard. Replacing them as they age is another complication.
This is why I understand what the Rams did. They believe they have Stafford's replacement in a year or two. They have him now, and will work to train him exactly as they want him. They didn't mortgage the future or break the bank to acquire him.
McVay is right or he's wrong. That's how it is with every player that is acquired. But, some are better bets than others, and some teams know exactly what they are looking for, and others don't. They want a good.... generic.... QB and then they will figure out what systems to play. The Rams know what system they want to play, and the job was finding the right fit for the system. They think they did that.
Many here and elsewhere think McVay is wrong. Fine. But it is only time that will tell. At least the Rams haven't sat on their hands and assumed they could control the future. They took their best shot and were proactive instead of passive.
RockRam
Acquiring a good to elite level NFL QB is pretty tough. And, as each team approaches the matter, we can see the perils of their decisions and approaches.
Which would you rather be? Paying whatever you have to, and going year to year, to hang onto the league MVP and Superbowl champion QB or making demands that the player is unwilling to accept?
Waiting until you are desparate or planning ahead and getting the guy you want as quickly as possible?
Acquiring a young draft pick QB that might sit a couple of years, who the HC believes has exactly the right traits his offense requires? Or, sitting back and hoping in the next draft (or two) you'll find an even better one?
Or, thinking you'll find a way in a year or two to get a Superstar or near Superstar QB to leave his team for LA?
The alternative is to be the Browns. Or the Jets. Or the Steelers. The Browns have several QBs, none of which will they likely ever to be able to count on.
The Jets keep waiting, waiting, waiting....
The Steelers.... well, I don't have any idea what the heck they are thinking. They don't know if they have a starting QB or not. They keep believing Rogers will want to come back, but he won't say. They didn't go out to acquire a reasonable alternative, so they are fully dependent... Rogers or bust.
Getting a QB is never nice and neat. Keeping them is equally as hard. Replacing them as they age is another complication.
This is why I understand what the Rams did. They believe they have Stafford's replacement in a year or two. They have him now, and will work to train him exactly as they want him. They didn't mortgage the future or break the bank to acquire him.
McVay is right or he's wrong. That's how it is with every player that is acquired. But, some are better bets than others, and some teams know exactly what they are looking for, and others don't. They want a good.... generic.... QB and then they will figure out what systems to play. The Rams know what system they want to play, and the job was finding the right fit for the system. They think they did that.
Many here and elsewhere think McVay is wrong. Fine. But it is only time that will tell. At least the Rams haven't sat on their hands and assumed they could control the future. They took their best shot and were proactive instead of passive.
New: Greg Cosell on the rookie QB picks and how they fit their teams.
Just posted on Ross Tucker's podcast.
View: https://youtu.be/t4NEis2GCQM?si=HQz7NhMl--8zK3Cj
Just posted on Ross Tucker's podcast.
View: https://youtu.be/t4NEis2GCQM?si=HQz7NhMl--8zK3Cj
BTW, my last comment on the Simpson at pick 13 conversation. I was just thinking about this and it hit me that I would bet had the Rams not won a SB yet with McVay & Stafford, they probably use that pick on Lemon or Sadiq.
The fact that McVay, Snead, and Stafford have rings, it makes them and the organization less desperate to focus only on this year and chasing a ring. McSnead can put one eye on the future while addressing the immediate need of the secondary, particularly the CB position.
When you think about it, the two biggest question marks this team had was fixing the CB position, that essentially prevented them from hoisting a trophy, and what the succession plan was at QB. They addressed both issues with quality solutions.
The fact that McVay, Snead, and Stafford have rings, it makes them and the organization less desperate to focus only on this year and chasing a ring. McSnead can put one eye on the future while addressing the immediate need of the secondary, particularly the CB position.
When you think about it, the two biggest question marks this team had was fixing the CB position, that essentially prevented them from hoisting a trophy, and what the succession plan was at QB. They addressed both issues with quality solutions.
Prior to the start of Free Agency in 2017, Walter Football (created by Walter Cherepinsky, a die-hard Eagles fan, when he was still a teenager) listed Andrew Whitworth as one of the top pending free agents.
Few weeks later, after Whitworth signed with the Rams, Walter Football gave the signing a Matt Millen Grade ... their lowest grade ... worse than an F. Commentary said Whitworth was done, and merely took the biggest check available from a bad team / weak franchise.
Actually found the commentary ...
"Andrew Whitworth is an upgrade over Greg Robinson at LT, if only by default. Whitworth turns 36 during the season, and it’s awfully suspicious that he took the money to leave a better team to a horribly run franchise that hasn’t been to the playoffs in more than a decade. It’s almost as if he went to California to retire early. That’s not to say that Whitworth will slack off, but it’s fair to question his passion at this stage of his career."
So ... Yes indeed ... Fuck Walter Football!
Here's RockRam commenting on the Cosell Simpson vid
RockRam
by RockRam
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This is one of my go-to guys on player analysis. He has never backed away from liking Simpson. But.... he has to operate from the right system.
One of the things he has spoken about in other QB talk is how critical system fits are for QBs and the quality of teams that young QBs go to.
The norm is for an NFL club to find a QB that is evaluated as "the highest" regardless of system fit. Rather, the FO has some definition of a QBs generic abilities, and then when they acquire him, attempt to find a system that works best for that player and then acquire the remainder of the cast over time to suit it.
But, the Rams did something different. Since they have an MVP QB playing his best ball right now (but getting older) they looked for a QB that fits the existing system. McVay knows precisely what matters, and what doesn't, for a QB to run his system. They found that in Simpson so the Rams already have the match.
A McVay QB MUST be a fast processor. Must make accurate throws with timing and anticipation. Must operate under Center. Must have good feet to do a rapid 7 to 10 step drop back. Must be able to turn his back to the defense with confidence and so be able to pre-read pre-snap the D.
When I read about Mendoza, for instance, those are not his basic traits. For instance, he has never operated under Center. He has never been asked to play with his back to the D. I was reading about how he'll have to learn to do that in the system he'll run in Vegas, and so he's now practicing to learn how. Really? That's almost like asking a Left-handed person to become Right-handed. As though this is something you just pick up in a few months. Not saying that in a few years he won't master it; but this will not be a one-training camp transition. Nothing wrong with Mendoza, but the experience and prior training and exhibitled traits don't match with the system he'll run with the Raiders. I'll bet it won't take long before the Raiders modigy their system to suit Mendoza, otherwise it puts him in a tough position. Either way, it takes a lot of time to achieve a high measure of QB success in this approach.
As even those who are Simpson detractors point out, Simpson walks into the perfect scenrio for a drafted QB. He will have no expectations to start for at least a year, probably 2; he already has the experience and success to run an under-Center system; he will have a great mentor in Stafford; he will learn from a great offensive master in McVay; the Rams have tons of good coaching avaialable to ease his development. He's on a very good team and won't be lacking anything that would hinder his success.
And this is exactly what we heard pre- and immediately post-draft from the QBs who have played the game, and from former GMs and HC's. I have no doubt that if Mendoza and Simpson were both there for the Rams to draft, they still would have taken Simpson. Whether it turns out well or not, that's going to take some years to find out.
I don't know about him having the balls for the job. Sam had a good amount of native American blood in him enough to be a member of a Cherokee tribe. Not showing a lot of emotion is a trait of Indian folk, I am one too and Cherokee is on of the 4 tribes of Indian blood I have in me.Maybe. We'll never know but I'm not so sure Bradford had the balls for the job. He always struck me as the business-like player, like Roger Dorn in the movie Major League.
Which, btw, stole the Rams storyline of the shit ass female owner trying to move the team.
So, over the years some guys at work would complain I was mad all the time or something and said so behind my back. A real smart friend of mine who gets me said Troy is not mad, he is just serious most of the time.
Not wearing your emotions on your sleeve, more matter of fact, to the point, not joking around all the time is a common native trait.
I do remember a game, a finish real early in Sam's career. I don't remember who it was against but it might have been a rival or a come from behind deal. But Sam ran towards the sideline and tensed up and yelled something. Chris Long met him there and picked him up in celebration. So that game meant a lot to Sam and it was one of the only times we saw any emotion from the kid.
Back in 2010 I was looking at the potential 1st overall picks for us it was King Kong Suh or Bradford. The first thing I noticed about the quarterback is he looked like he had some Indian in him, I checked, he did and yeah it made me root for him a little more.
Turns out it was a what could have been deal for Sam and the Rams.
But we had Dumb and Dumber running the show.
Suh did not turn out to be a world beater either. Really good player but the real King Kong ended up being the DT we drafted a few years later, Aron Donald.
Cherokee are people too. Insecurities and all. In the end Sam's career ended with him demonstrating he's a hell of a businessman, but a shitty QB.
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You would think we would have won the Superbowl in AD's rookie year if the 1st round picks mattered so much.
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That wasnt ME who said that, but I still wouldn't doubt it, lol.