Wayy to early of a look at Defensive Coordinators

[NCRamGuy]

I also don't see McVay leaving aftwr this year considering he's like the 3th highest paid HC who also got a contract extension.

 

[Memphis Ram]

Jim Leonhard​

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

There are a number of great coordinators who weren't good HCs. Staley led us to a #1 defense in 2020 as our DC. His struggles as HC don't speak to his abilities as a DC. Very different jobs.

I tend to agree with you. He may be a DC only type. Some guys just can’t do both sides of the ball. He has Herbert and I’d bet his focus has really been trying not to waste Herbert.

But what’s odd is that most head coaches usually straighten out their side of the ball quickly. I expected the Chargers to have a really good defense. That goes back to something I see as a weakness with the scheme. I think the Star position is incredibly hard to fill. It’s a key to the system working, and without a guy who can pull it off it breaks down. Ramsey did it but even he seemed to tail off in his last year as the ‘Star’ with the Rams.

The Rams were trying to teach the Star position to Durant and he didn’t look good. They moved him back to corner and he started to show up again. They were also trying to teach it to Tomlinson. I wonder if they decided to drop that concept altogether. They don’t have the football mind combined with elite athleticism to fill that role.

 

[Merlin]

I'd be fine with Staley returning as DC but I think the most important thing is simply adding more talent to that side of the ball. The defensive front held up pretty well early in the season, better than I expected, but they're turning into the unit the roster suggested they'd be (20th in avg per rush allowed currently).

The key reason the defense outperformed expectations early on was their pass defense, but that has been terrible of late. Passer rating against is 88.6 on the season (17th) but over the past three games they've given up an average rating of 117. Can't win doing that.

 

[ScotsRam]

+1 for Staley. He did a tremendous job first time round.

 

[Memphis Ram]

We might end up asking who Morris will be hiring as his offensive & defensive coordinators this offseason.
Young man, new baby, disappointing season.
I really won't be surprised if that TV Booth becomes more appealing for McVay if things continue to spiral down.

 

[oldnotdead]

Again it's how they are playing their DL that is the problem. Many times there is no penetration because that's what Morris want's. Morris is defending the LOS not trying to disrupt the play in the backfield. When they turn them loose they can penetrate. This is the stupidity of this scheme. Watch how many times their second best pass rusher Young, is simply standing at the LOS watching the play develop instead of disrupting it. Or they have him in coverage WTF?

Everything about Morris' scheme is passive. That's why he's a shit DC. They only have 2 legit pass rushers so they use #2 in zone coverage? Way to fucking go Raheem. That is how Raheem in his infinite wisdom hangs his CBs out to dry. I'm sorry it's just plain stupid.

Again it's how the players are played which is important. Every OC knows Raheem will play his defend the LOS style on early downs, so they simply pass with their QB having all day. Raheem almost never changes it up and doesn't disguise his alignments making it too easy for even novice QBs to read. What they see presnap is what they get.

It's not the players it's the damn coach. I knew when they drafted Durant he was strictly a man coverage type of CB. So they try to play him at SCB and play Shelley who is a very good SCB at boundary? WTF? Morris doesn't understand the concept of scheme fit. Tomlinson is like Durant, he's a man coverage outside CB. They have a good SCB in Shelley but won't play him there. That is exactly what I'm talking about Morris not knowing his roster. Just plain poor coaching.

 

[Merlin]

We might end up asking who Morris will be hiring as his offensive & defensive coordinators this offseason.
Young man, new baby, disappointing season.
I really won't be surprised if that TV Booth becomes more appealing for McVay if things continue to spiral down.

Brinks truck full of Amazon money, new family he will want to be there for, and he's young enough to jump back in to the NFL and use that as a "reset." It's going to be an alluring combination for him this offseason. He'll probably resist that temptation but I also would not be surprised.

 

[Kupped]

Brinks truck full of Amazon money, new family he will want to be there for, and he's young enough to jump back in to the NFL and use that as a "reset." It's going to be an alluring combination for him this offseason. He'll probably resist that temptation but I also would not be surprised.

I would honestly be surprised.

This isn't the kind of year/roster you have if you're sticking around for "one more year."

I could be WAY off.. but nothing about this year or him makes me think he's a short-timer. He's a coach.. he likes coaching and he makes a bunch of money doing it. Understanding that and coming to terms with it is what happened toward the end of last season and is why he's back.

 

[Kupped]

Why would anyone want Staley as a DC at this point? His Chargers units have been mediocre to bad.
Maybe he was ahead of the curve on the new-era of coverages.. and that helped the Rams have an incredible year on D.

But.. man.. his defenses on the Chargers have just NOT been good.

 

[OldSchool]

Why would anyone want Staley as a DC at this point? His Chargers units have been mediocre to bad.
Maybe he was ahead of the curve on the new-era of coverages.. and that helped the Rams have an incredible year on D.

But.. man.. his defenses on the Chargers have just NOT been good.

Loaded with talent on the D unlike the Rams and they're predictable and bland. Really no reason for an offense to fear that D. Also I laughed each time today I've seen Mack in coverage. Giving me flash backs to random ROD gameday threads

 

[Kupped]

Loaded with talent on the D unlike the Rams and they're predictable and bland. Really no reason for an offense to fear that D. Also I laughed each time today I've seen Mack in coverage. Giving me flash backs to random ROD gameday threads

Right?

 

[OldSchool]

Right?

The funny part is some will say Mack is faster, and game speed he might well be. He certainly has more burst as a pass rusher. But in that over rated thing most people cling to the 40 time? Hoecht was actually faster, his was hand timed.

 

[snackdaddy]

Raheem is going nowhere. His defense is gonna struggle this year. I doubt anyone will offer him a head coaching gig. He's not leaving. And I wouldn't want him too.

What he did early in the season was impressive. He got them to overachieve the first few games. But the lack of overall talent is finally catching up to them. Raheem is not a magician. Its the old X's and O's vs Jim's and Joe's. And we don't have those Jim's and Joe's.

 

[Kupped]

The funny part is some will say Mack is faster, and game speed he might well be. He certainly has more burst as a pass rusher. But in that over rated thing most people cling to the 40 time? Hoecht was actually faster, his was hand timed.

Dropping OLBs is common stuff.. thing is, you gotta get to the QB!!!! Can’t leave them chasing guys.

 

[Merlin]

The funny part is some will say Mack is faster, and game speed he might well be. He certainly has more burst as a pass rusher. But in that over rated thing most people cling to the 40 time? Hoecht was actually faster, his was hand timed.

Mack's a great athlete for his position but yeah he's not running a top 40 time right now. There's guys who can sustain that top 40 but if they bulk up as they go through their late 20s into their early 30s there's gonna be a dip.

Also any time you see an Edge running with a passing game weapon I think it's simply bad design. It's one thing to drop an Edge into the flat with that area of responsibility (staple of Fangio's scheme for example). But another entirely to have him running man coverage on crossers. It's a bit of a trend in the league for some reason. Probably has to do with personnel grouping and when you get caught in certain looks but I dislike it very much.

 

[SteezyEndo]

Raheem is going nowhere. His defense is gonna struggle this year. I doubt anyone will offer him a head coaching gig. He's not leaving. And I wouldn't want him too.

What he did early in the season was impressive. He got them to overachieve the first few games. But the lack of overall talent is finally catching up to them. Raheem is not a magician. Its the old X's and O's vs Jim's and Joe's. And we don't have those Jim's and Joe's.

Good to hear the true facts around here. I honestly don’t want him gone.

 

[OldSchool]

Mack's a great athlete for his position but yeah he's not running a top 40 time right now. There's guys who can sustain that top 40 but if they bulk up as they go through their late 20s into their early 30s there's gonna be a dip.

Also any time you see an Edge running with a passing game weapon I think it's simply bad design. It's one thing to drop an Edge into the flat with that area of responsibility (staple of Fangio's scheme for example). But another entirely to have him running man coverage on crossers. It's a bit of a trend in the league for some reason. Probably has to do with personnel grouping and when you get caught in certain looks but I dislike it very much.

His college 40 time was a 4.65 and Hoecht was a 4.6. Mack was never a 40 time guy. As for bad design or not all teams do it. Hell DT/NT end up in coverage sometimes it's just one of those things that every DC does occasionally.

 

[Merlin]

His college 40 time was a 4.65 and Hoecht was a 4.6. Mack was never a 40 time guy. As for bad design or not all teams do it. Hell DT/NT end up in coverage sometimes it's just one of those things that every DC does occasionally.

It's been around a long time in the form of zone drops. But covering in man on a crosser is a trend that needs to go away.

 

[GoodBadUgly]

Brinks truck full of Amazon money, new family he will want to be there for, and he's young enough to jump back in to the NFL and use that as a "reset." It's going to be an alluring combination for him this offseason. He'll probably resist that temptation but I also would not be surprised.

Every time I hear these comments on McVay and his impending no-miss media career, I'm reminded how hearing his raspy voice and vague coachspeak in his press conferences is worse to me than fingernails on the chalkboard.

Am I alone in thinking his success is not a slam dunk?