UFOs

[CGI_Ram]

View: https://twitter.com/uBF2fV1cVQxRjQo/status/1633743970894483456

View: https://twitter.com/EdRussoWX/status/1634030277776293893?s=20

 

[Loyal]

View: https://twitter.com/EdRussoWX/status/1634030277776293893?s=20

How did that aluminum plate get thrown that high?

 

[oldnotdead]

I haven't gone through all 20 pages of this thread but I can't believe no one has offered up this. It proves beyond all doubt that not only are UFOs real we have known for decades and have profited from them.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=326dxMyo4ec

 

[XXXIVwin]

I haven't gone through all 20 pages of this thread but I can't believe no one has offered up this. It proves beyond all doubt that not only are UFOs real we have known for decades and have profited from them.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=326dxMyo4ec

Here's the conclusion from the Washington Post article about the event:

When the news conference was over, rational observers were faced with two scenarios:

* Intelligent creatures have piloted spaceships across trillions of miles to visit our planet. They have the ability to elude detection by scientific investigators and mainstream news organizations, but have also been seen by thousands of people. Secret forces within our government have masterfully covered up the alien presence for half a century, although sometimes the coverup is imperfect, which is why, at Safeway, you can buy Chef Boy-ar-dee Flying Saucers & Aliens canned pasta. People like Steven Greer, the crusading emergency room physician, have seen through the lies and are going to help us enter the era of cosmic brotherhood.

* Some people believe in things that aren't true.

Your call.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/2001/05/10/ufo-believers-sighted-here/f5b0fb0e-80f6-4d7e-8c25-e57d1aa69135/

 

[Merlin]

I think Greer is a charlatan. Full of shit personality type.

But of course I also think they're real. Way I figure it we are the larval stage for machine civilizations, which are inevitably smarter and more capable than organics. Chances are the machine civilizations are the ones that last longest through time too. Which is important because species are separated by distance (space) and time.

Also if that is the case then machines would look favorably on organics, sort of like we look favorably on certain lesser species, and would maybe even look out for us in small ways as long as it doesn't upset natural order. Meaning along the lines of how you cannot interfere with certain struggles as they are part of that life form's existence (insert helping butterflies out of cocoons for example).

This crazy theory of mine would be almost likely if life is prevalent. If it is not prevalent, which I think would be very strange and unlikely given the number of worlds and oceans of time we're talking about, then it would be a bunch of hooey but the advantage is I'll never get to find out how wrong I was.

 

[Selassie I]

Greer is 100% full of shit.

 

[Loyal]

Greer is 100% full of shit.

but in a good way...

 

[1maGoh]

View: https://twitter.com/EdRussoWX/status/1634030277776293893?s=20

If the glow is from a propulsion system, why does it change shape and location on the object as the helicopter changes its viewpoint? It's almost like it's a glare/reflection and not a propulsion system. Also that seems like very poor placement for a propulsion system. I guess the alternative theory would be video editing, which is both possible and significantly more likely while answering the question above.

 

[Merlin]

Latest spin on the Drake Equation, using modern understanding of planet formation, which means this estimate is probably more accurate than those that have been run before:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcbQ3Gspyyo&ab_channel=AntonPetrov

 

[Merlin]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZIMBSr-yNI&ab_channel=AbsoluteDocumentaries

 

[Merlin]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otPxviO_SCA&ab_channel=Astrum

 

[Corbin]

So you can track Voyager 1,2 and Pioneer 10, 11 on this website

Voyager - Mission Status​

voyager.jpl.nasa.gov

Radio waves travel at the speed of light, press play on this website and understand with past music how far we are from alot of other stars.

Lightyear.fm​

Radio broadcasts leave Earth at the speed of light. Scroll away from Earth and hear how far the biggest hits of the past have travelled. The farther away you get, the longer the waves take to travel there—and the older the music you’ll hear.

www.lightyear.fm

You eventually get 112 light years from Earth from our first transmissions (i think it starts in 2018 so add 5 years further to it)


All those stars located within 118 LY (light years).

The Milky Way Galaxy is 105,700 LY across. So our transmissions since it was invented haven't even got close to getting to even 1% of that distance at the speed of light. Don't even get me started on other galaxies.

At least a 100 Billion stars in the Milky Way.

The chances of life developing in a Goldie Lox Zone planet just in the Milky Way is high which I have no doubts.

Much of other Stars in the Milky Way are much older than our own Sun. (millions to billions of years older easily)

So we would have to live within the same time period and they would have to pick a needle out of a haystack of needles and find us.

Proxima Centauri is the closest star to our Sun which is 4.2 LY away, with Voyager going 40,000 mph it would take 70,415 years to get to Proxima Centauri. We don't have the technology period.

Of all that life for a possible contact, it would have to be intelligent and able to warp space time.

Now you say that as a matter of fact but it's incredibly complicated like going back in time. But let's say if there is an Intelligent space faring civilization that isn't hostile 50,000 light years away. How would they know that we are here? Where was the human race 50,000 years ago? Would they even deem it worth coming to our planet 50,000 years ago?

Currently, we can't even get out of the Oort cloud ( 300 years before Voyager even starts to get to the inner ring)

We don't live in a Sci Fi movie and can take things matter of factly from a movie. This is reality. Not only that but traveling at the speed of light like Star Trek or Star Wars how would you track all the many objects in the Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud to even get to another Star? It's not as easy as many think it is.


For these reasons I have severe doubts that we have been contacted by or going to be contacted by a species that is space fairing within 123 LY because the chances that they live that close to us is extremely minuet.


Not within our or our grandchildren's lifetime to say the least.



That's my take on UFO's, extraterrestrials.


But I find the new information breath takingly interesting and love new ground breaking works that make you fit or change your logic.

 

[XXXIVwin]

So you can track Voyager 1,2 and Pioneer 10, 11 on this website

Voyager - Mission Status​

voyager.jpl.nasa.gov

Radio waves travel at the speed of light, press play on this website and understand with past music how far we are from alot of other stars.

Lightyear.fm​

Radio broadcasts leave Earth at the speed of light. Scroll away from Earth and hear how far the biggest hits of the past have travelled. The farther away you get, the longer the waves take to travel there—and the older the music you’ll hear.

www.lightyear.fm

You eventually get 112 light years from Earth from our first transmissions (i think it starts in 2018 so add 5 years further to it)


All those stars located within 118 LY (light years).

The Milky Way Galaxy is 105,700 LY across. So our transmissions since it was invented haven't even got close to getting to even 1% of that distance at the speed of light. Don't even get me started on other galaxies.

At least a 100 Billion stars in the Milky Way.

The chances of life developing in a Goldie Lox Zone planet just in the Milky Way is high which I have no doubts.

Much of other Stars in the Milky Way are much older than our own Sun. (millions to billions of years older easily)

So we would have to live within the same time period and they would have to pick a needle out of a haystack of needles and find us.

Proxima Centauri is the closest star to our Sun which is 4.2 LY away, with Voyager going 40,000 mph it would take 70,415 years to get to Proxima Centauri. We don't have the technology period.

Of all that life for a possible contact, it would have to be intelligent and able to warp space time.

Now you say that as a matter of fact but it's incredibly complicated like going back in time. But let's say if there is an Intelligent space faring civilization that isn't hostile 50,000 light years away. How would they know that we are here? Where was the human race 50,000 years ago? Would they even deem it worth coming to our planet 50,000 years ago?

Currently, we can't even get out of the Oort cloud ( 300 years before Voyager even starts to get to the inner ring)

We don't live in a Sci Fi movie and can take things matter of factly from a movie. This is reality. Not only that but traveling at the speed of light like Star Trek or Star Wars how would you track all the many objects in the Kuiper Belt and Oort Cloud to even get to another Star? It's not as easy as many think it is.


For these reasons I have severe doubts that we have been contacted by or going to be contacted by a species that is space fairing within 123 LY because the chances that they live that close to us is extremely minuet.


Not within our or our grandchildren's lifetime to say the least.



That's my take on UFO's, extraterrestrials.


But I find the new information breath takingly interesting and love new ground breaking works that make you fit or change your logic.

I'm with ya all the way on this post, @Corbin.

Yes, I think it's entirely possible-- quite probable-- that life is common in the universe.

But I think most people underestimate the unimaginably vast distances between stars.

Average distance between stars here in our tiny Milky Way neighborhood is 5 LY. Each LY is about 6 trillion miles. So, about 30 trillion miles between stars, on average.

Even with unimaginably improved technologies, it would take many thousands of years to travel between stars. Well, people say, just snap your fingers and warp space time, or create worm holes, etc. Well, what if the universe just isn't amenable to our convenient sci-fi fantasies?

Our largest galactic neighbor, the Andromeda Galaxy, is 2.5 Million light years away. So if ET from Andromeda wanted to pay us a visit, ET would would have to spend 2.5 million years, all while traveling at the speed of light (the the top speed possible) just to say hello.

Yes, there are about 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe. But to even contemplate a visit from any being beyond the Milky Way, even traveling at the speed of light just won't cut it.

 

[CGI_Ram]

View: https://youtu.be/vKP1cRsNBLk

 

[oldnotdead]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItRiw2HwvF0


Here is a clip of an interview. Who knows if the guy is credible. But what he's saying are things that I've heard from different people outside the US as far back as the mid 70s when I was in Europe. Me and my GF were hippie backpackers. One guy was a Spanish archeologist who showed us Summarian text that talked about a race of giant aliens that supposedly created humans to be their slaves. That again was something I heard back in the US about 10 years later.

Where I question his guy is when it comes to the "greys". Some people I knew in the tech industry back in the 70s and 80s said that the greys were AI drones i.e. androids. No mouths or ears communicating silently, i.e. perhaps electronically, no mouths because they don't eat. Their power source was gravity to create electricity to recharge the drones and their ships use gravity propulsion. They simply change the polarity of their ships to get gravity fields to propel them via attraction or rejection. No need for fuel or food and water. They simply sit in their chairs and recharge.....sound familiar? I was told this back in the 70s. They understand the physics of astro-dynamics, which is why their ships are minimal drag. To assume there isn't drag in space because it's a vacuum isn't true. Most forms of radiation have mass and being bombarded by billions of particles retard speed especially when the design is crude like ours. They travel by moving from one gravitational field to another in space. As a source of gravity pulls them in they increase speed, as they pass that source they shift polarity and it pushes them away, all the time increasing their speed. Also because their ships are riding gravitational pull they have no need for artificial gravity. Their ships are designed to utilize that gravity. The earth is surrounded by gravitational fields they simply ride those fields by manipulating the polarity of their craft.

Bottom line is that there simply is too much to be ignored. Are they friendly? Not really. Most are simply indifferent. But there are a few that are distinctly hostile. IMO the guy interviewed isn't who he claims to be. He's done his research and filled in the blanks with his own suppositions he passes off as truth. There is no question however that the basis for today's tech explosion had its beginnings by reverse engineering equipment and technology retrieved from crashes.

 

[Mojo Ram]

I'm with ya all the way on this post, @Corbin.

Yes, I think it's entirely possible-- quite probable-- that life is common in the universe.

But I think most people underestimate the unimaginably vast distances between stars.

Average distance between stars here in our tiny Milky Way neighborhood is 5 LY. Each LY is about 6 trillion miles. So, about 30 trillion miles between stars, on average.

Even with unimaginably improved technologies, it would take many thousands of years to travel between stars. Well, people say, just snap your fingers and warp space time, or create worm holes, etc. Well, what if the universe just isn't amenable to our convenient sci-fi fantasies?

Our largest galactic neighbor, the Andromeda Galaxy, is 2.5 Million light years away. So if ET from Andromeda wanted to pay us a visit, ET would would have to spend 2.5 million years, all while traveling at the speed of light (the the top speed possible) just to say hello.

Yes, there are about 2 trillion galaxies in the observable universe. But to even contemplate a visit from any being beyond the Milky Way, even traveling at the speed of light just won't cut it.

I’ll leapfrog off your well thought out post and add that, in my logical opinion….consider the technology it would take for aliens in ships to visit Earth from point A(alien home world or exploration hub) to point B(Earth). The distance that would have to be traveled to get here has been established as mind blowing to say the least.

Does anyone really think that any life form with that technology and intelligence would travel THAT FAR across our galaxy or from one galaxy to ours….only to be witnessed unwillingly, or crash or get caught and captured by our government/military? That’s laughable to me. Let’s just say that they would know what they’re doing. Human error is one thing, but alien error wouldn’t qualify as traveling millions of miles and THEN running out of fuel in Earths stratosphere or accidentally getting detected by our scopes.

I absolutely believe in life on other worlds. Life with tech and life without tech. If we have alien tech, we have it because it was either found drifting within our own orbit or offered to us. Neither of which I’m buying, although the former is at least somewhat plausible but remote at best.

If aliens are watching us or have already visited, we don’t know about it as a civilization unless they wanted us to know.

 

[Mojo Ram]

It all makes for interesting and fun discussion. The unknown is always so fascinating to discuss and throw ideas about.

Tbh, I find the flat Earth stuff to be more interesting in a bizarre kind of way. No thread hijack though.

 

[Loyal]

I’ll leapfrog off your well thought out post and add that, in my logical opinion….consider the technology it would take for aliens in ships to visit Earth from point A(alien home world or exploration hub) to point B(Earth). The distance that would have to be traveled to get here has been established as mind blowing to say the least.

Does anyone really think that any life form with that technology and intelligence would travel THAT FAR across our galaxy or from one galaxy to ours….only to be witnessed unwillingly, or crash or get caught and captured by our government/military? That’s laughable to me. Let’s just say that they would know what they’re doing. Human error is one thing, but alien error wouldn’t qualify as traveling millions of miles and THEN running out of fuel in Earths stratosphere or accidentally getting detected by our scopes.

I absolutely believe in life on other worlds. Life with tech and life without tech. If we have alien tech, we have it because it was either found drifting within our own orbit or offered to us. Neither of which I’m buying, although the former is at least somewhat plausible but remote at best.

If aliens are watching us or have already visited, we don’t know about it as a civilization unless they wanted us to know.

Fermi Paradoxer!

 

[oldnotdead]

View: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2023/04/19/declassified-ufo-uap-middle-east-jm-orig.cnn


Obviously an alien drone over a conflict zone.

 

[AvengerRam]

If aliens did land, they’d probably try to seamlessly integrate themselves into society before subtly exerting influence by periodically publishing random thoughts in groups of 20.