Ty Simpson's floor/ ceiling among Rams past QBs?

[PhillyRam]

Was thinking about all the QBs that I have watched and how Ty Simpson could ultimately fit into this list. This list is from say about 75' onwards ranking QBs from top to who cares.

Where would you rank the floor and the ceiling for Simpson? I realize he wasn't taken a snap yet, so this is based on your hopes/ expectations based on the info you have on him and the situation that he will likley be entering.

I would place his ceiling at a plus Goff based on mobility and football intelligence.

Floor would probably be Marc Bulger.

Your thoughts?

Best Rams QBs over the last 50 yrs (in my opinion, and yes Stafford could easily be above Warner based on more top yrs with the Rams)
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Warner
Stafford
Goff
Everett
Ferragamo
Bulger
Haden
Harris
Bradford
Jaworski
Banks (yuck)
Nobody cares about the rest

 

[DzRams]

I'd put his ceiling as plus Goff- too.

 

[ReekofRams]

Who really has any idea what his ceiling is?

 

[WestCoastRam]

I'm glad Bulger came up. Both slight guys who look like they can read out a defense and cycle through progressions really well.

I see his ceiling as a way more athletic but slightly less accurate Bulger.

Jamie Martin is his floor.

 

[PhillyRam]

Who really has any idea what his ceiling is?

We have no idea about a lot of things that we discuss here. Note, no blue font.

Anyway, it's called a projection or player comp, just like what the scouts and front office people do when they evaluate a player.

 

[Merlin]

I would place his ceiling at a plus Goff based on mobility and football intelligence.

Floor would probably be Marc Bulger.

Your thoughts?

I don't think he compares well to Goff, who was a better prospect coming out. Goff started 37 games and showed an ability to win the job and improve each season as a starter. Chances of him being as good as Goff, who wasn't good enough for McVay, well let's just say I doubt that happens.

Would be cool though. I'd be very happy with that, though he'll need to be better than Goff if he wants to be the QBotF for McVay. He'll need to be mentally tougher, as that is what hurt Goff. And I see no reason to think he will be, given his collegiate career.

I hesitate to even say that much, because it feels like I'm hating on the kid and many here are hyper sensitive about it. But I'm not. Rather I'm just hoping he hits at this point.

Bulger btw started 36 games. More college experience coming in, not as much arm as Simpson. Also Simpson has better mobility. I think Simpson is a better prospect, obviously.

So for me I'd go with Simpson's ceiling is Brees. Which is pretty damn good, a small framed QB who can win with the right team and coaching. And his floor would be lower than Bulger. I'd go with Wolford, as in an intelligent backup QB who can move well and offers a strong grasp of the offense.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Brees is a hall of fame QB, had virtually every major passing record at the time of his retirement (since surpassed), over 80K passing yards, almost 600 pass touchdowns, 13 pro bowls, has a superbowl win and was named it's MVP.

 

[DzRams]

I don't think he compares well to Goff, who was a better prospect coming out. Goff started 37 games and showed an ability to win the job and improve each season as a starter. Chances of him being as good as Goff, who wasn't good enough for McVay, well let's just say I doubt that happens.

Would be cool though. I'd be very happy with that, though he'll need to be better than Goff if he wants to be the QBotF for McVay. He'll need to be mentally tougher, as that is what hurt Goff. And I see no reason to think he will be, given his collegiate career.

I hesitate to even say that much, because it feels like I'm hating on the kid and many here are hyper sensitive about it. But I'm not. Rather I'm just hoping he hits at this point.

Bulger btw started 36 games. More college experience coming in, not as much arm as Simpson. Also Simpson has better mobility. I think Simpson is a better prospect, obviously.

So for me I'd go with Simpson's ceiling is Brees. Which is pretty damn good, a small framed QB who can win with the right team and coaching. And his floor would be lower than Bulger. I'd go with Wolford, as in an intelligent backup QB who can move well and offers a strong grasp of the offense.

Goff hit a mental plateau which is why he was traded. I feel Simpson has a shot, not a guarantee, of being superior to Goff mentally.

You add in superior athleticism and there's a chance he can be Goff plus.

 

[kurtfaulk]

I'm glad Bulger came up. Both slight guys who look like they can read out a defense and cycle through progressions really well.

I see his ceiling as a way more athletic but slightly less accurate Bulger.

Jamie Martin is his floor.

Less accurate bulger? That means he'll be pretty inaccurate.

Bulger might have a good completion rate but he wasn't accurate at all. He was always throwing behind receivers and they got used to slowing down to make sure the ball hit them.

I'll never forget the day Warner had to sub in for bulger when he got injured in a game in 03. Warner was putting the ball out in front of the receivers so they could run after the catch but they couldn't get to the ball because they had become accustomed to slowing down. Frustrating.

That's why the wrs began falling to the ground after making a catch. They had no momentum and were sitting ducks.

.

 

[RamFan58years]

Lots of great QBs have been low round picks or UDFAs. BUT - if you use the overall #13 pick on a player, you'd better be pretty damn sure they are not going to have someone like Jamie Martin's career as their floor. I was against the pick when it happened last month, but have a better understanding now of their reasons. But it would have been nice if we knew on draft day that Stafford would be around minimum two more years. If that was a given, would they still have made the choice of Simpson? I'm going to hate watching highlights of Bain, Lemon and Sadiq this year. And next.

 

[kurtfaulk]

Chances of him being as good as Goff, who wasn't good enough for McVay, well let's just say I doubt that happens.

Goff wasn't good enough for Mcvay for two reasons.

One, he couldn't make unscheduled plays. All his turnover problems began when he tried to adlib during a play. The more pressure Mcvay put on him to make something out of nothing the worse he got. Simpson seems to have the ability to run for a 1st down. Problem one solved.

Two, and most importantly, Goff slackened off once he hooked up with his hot girlfriend. A huge no no for Mcvay. That phins game where Goff stunk it up showed Mcvay he wasn't studying the gameplans as hard enough a qb should be doing if he wants to be great. I think that game was the beginning of the end for Goff. Getting traded to the Lions was the slap in the face his career needed.

So Simpson has to relentlessly study the playbook and gameplans.

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[TSFH Fan]

Floor:

Some people were falling over themselves talking of Simpson's FB IQ, film habits and his love of the game. I kept thinking of T.J. Rubley:

That’s why the first thing I asked when I came to Rams Park was, ‘Where are the film room keys?’ That’s what I do because I love the game. I don’t play for a lot of external reasons, I play for myself, because I love it.

He’s got a strong arm, a plenty strong arm,” Tollner said. “He’s got the aptitude and he’ll get the mental part rapidly,

Rubley's a Project, but His Heart, Head Are in the Right Place : Rams: His progress and performance in training camp and the preseason will determine if ninth-round pick makes the team.

Ted Tollner, quarterback guru, had received his mission: Come down from the mountaintop and search the land for a good young arm.

www.latimes.com

Maybe Joe Germaine? Depending on the source, they both came out with the same heights and weights (6'1", 211), fwiw if anything.


Ceiling:

Ummmm. . . .

The Goff prospect doesn't work because, QB is a learning by doing position and comparing college pass attempts shows Goff attempted 1569 passes to Simpson's 523. I posted a video of Jourdan explaining why Goff didn't work out, but whatever.

Well there aren't any Ram specific comparisons, imo. He could be one of those right place/right time QBs who isn't anything spectacular and doesn't have elite athleticism, but wins a championship - Brad Johnson, Joe Theismann, a rich man's version of Sam Darnold and/or a better version of Trent Dilfer.
(Really just focusing on the winning a championship part and not the physical comps).

 

[den-the-coach]

I'm glad Bulger came up. Both slight guys who look like they can read out a defense and cycle through progressions really well.

I see his ceiling as a way more athletic but slightly less accurate Bulger.

Jamie Martin is his floor.

I like this with the exception of Martin, IMO, Haden (God forgive me) is his floor, however, Simpson is bigger than Haden plus his arm is much better, however, Haden was very smart in addition to having the ability to extend plays. An athletic Bulger ceiling is dead on IMHO with a tad more guile than Bulger.

 

[PARAM]

Who really has any idea what his ceiling is?

Nobody. But since this is all an exercise in entertaining ourselves, what the hell??

He could be a franchise QB.....Stafford, Goff, Everett or he could be an average Joe.....Joe Germaine, Sam Bradford, Case Keenum.

Nobody knows.

I'll go outside the franchise and say he could be a Montana.

Slight build
No cannon arm.
Mobility.
Next level cerebral ability.
A HC who puts him in the best position for success.

And wouldn't that really piss off niner fans for 10-15 years!!!

 

[Allen2McVay]

Goff wasn't good enough for Mcvay for two reasons.
...

Two, and most importantly, Goff slackened off once he hooked up with his hot girlfriend. A huge no no for Mcvay.
...
So Simpson has to relentlessly study the playbook and gameplans.

and, NOT date Sydney Sweeney!!! ...

 

[WestCoastRam]

Less accurate bulger? That means he'll be pretty inaccurate.

Bulger might have a good completion rate but he wasn't accurate at all. He was always throwing behind receivers and they got used to slowing down to make sure the ball hit them.

I'll never forget the day Warner had to sub in for bulger when he got injured in a game in 03. Warner was putting the ball out in front of the receivers so they could run after the catch but they couldn't get to the ball because they had become accustomed to slowing down. Frustrating.

That's why the wrs began falling to the ground after making a catch. They had no momentum and were sitting ducks.

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Wow, we saw things completely different. Bulger was very accurate and could place it anywhere he wanted on anything less than 25 yards. Interesting as accuracy was considered one of his strongest traits by many analysts.

I found him to be more accurate than Warner in that range. But before I get flamed, of course Warner had good accuracy and was overall the superior QB.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I like this with the exception of Martin, IMO, Haden (God forgive me) is his floor, however, Simpson is bigger than Haden plus his arm is much better, however, Haden was very smart in addition to having the ability to extend plays. An athletic Bulger ceiling is dead on IMHO with a tad more guile than Bulger.

I know some people will think this is a bad thing but a really athletic Bulger but maybe slightly less accurate would be a pretty good QB!

 

[den-the-coach]

I know some people will think this is a bad thing but a really athletic Bulger but maybe slightly less accurate would be a pretty good QB!

I agree with that assessment and IMO, Bulger was not the greatest leader, he was quiet in that regard, Simpson on the other hand is very strong in that area and according to 7th round draft selection DT Tim Keenan III, Simpson has an electric personality and players gravitate towards him.

 

[Jacobarch]

Less accurate bulger? That means he'll be pretty inaccurate.

Bulger might have a good completion rate but he wasn't accurate at all. He was always throwing behind receivers and they got used to slowing down to make sure the ball hit them.

I'll never forget the day Warner had to sub in for bulger when he got injured in a game in 03. Warner was putting the ball out in front of the receivers so they could run after the catch but they couldn't get to the ball because they had become accustomed to slowing down. Frustrating.

That's why the wrs began falling to the ground after making a catch. They had no momentum and were sitting ducks.

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We must have been watching two different Bulgers. I remember him being very accurate. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

[PhillyRam]

I agree with that assessment and IMO, Bulger was not the greatest leader, he was quiet in that regard, Simpson on the other hand is very strong in that area and according to 7th round draft selection DT Tim Keenan III, Simpson has an electric personality and players gravitate towards him.

Bulger, with his shitty OL, was getting his ass handed to him week in and week out.