Top end QB talent

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Honestly? I think that Bortles is going to surprise a lot of people this year. Better receivers. Better offensive line. A running back who can take pressure off of him (Yeldon).

Don't be surprised if he bounces back from a dreadful rookie year. He's raw, but he has a ton of talent.
 
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Memento said:
Honestly? I think that Bortles is going to surprise a lot of people this year. Better receivers. Better offensive line. A running back who can take pressure off of him (Yeldon).

Don't be surprised if he bounces back from a dreadful rookie year. He's raw, but he has a ton of talent.
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I just can't get over that big old slow release he's got. He winds up like he's pitching a fastball. Some more knoweldgable QB guys than me have said they think he seems to process things a bit slowly - and that combined with a slow release might mean too many interceptions long term.
 
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Carr, Bridgewater, Luck, Winston, Mariota, Garopolo, Bortles, Wilson. 6 out of those 8 will be top 10 by 2018. Imho.
 
snackdaddy said:
Kinda reminds me of Bradford's rookie year. But it looks like they're actually acquiring more talent for Carr than the Rams did for Bradford. Carr might be in a better position to succeed.
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It truly is mind blowing to step back and realize just how poorly the Rams were run in Bradford's first years.
 
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Nick Foles will be on that list of up and comers to replace them soon! :)
 
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Am I the only one who thinks Mannion has a chance to sleeper his way in? If he goes the Rodgers route and sits and learns for a while before coming in then I think Mannion could surprise people.
 
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HometownBoy said:
Am I the only one who thinks Mannion has a chance to sleeper his way in? If he goes the Rodgers route and sits and learns for a while before coming in then I think Mannion could surprise people.
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That would be nice. But he's not sitting behind a Hall of Famer like Rogers did. I don't how much impact it had on Rogers, but it obviously didn't hurt.
 
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HometownBoy said:
Am I the only one who thinks Mannion has a chance to sleeper his way in? If he goes the Rodgers route and sits and learns for a while before coming in then I think Mannion could surprise people.
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I think he looks ok. Some draftniks liked him as the second best QB in the draft (after Mariota).
 
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Nobody thinks Flacco deserves even a mention? IMO, I'd take him over many that have. Definitely over Matt Ryan & Cam.

That's not necessarily saying he's 'elite', but I'd be perfectly ok with Foles reaching his level.
 
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FrankenRam said:
Nobody thinks Flacco deserves even a mention? IMO, I'd take him over many that have. Definitely over Matt Ryan & Cam.

That's not necessarily saying he's 'elite', but I'd be perfectly ok with Foles reaching his level.
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Flacco's a game manager, like Smith, who also hasn't been mentioned but looks a lot better than most.

This thread is on the type of guys that change the games or teams radically that they play for. While it would definitely be nice to have guys like that, I doubt any of us can call them game changers whole heartedly.
 
HometownBoy said:
Flacco's a game manager, like Smith, who also hasn't been mentioned but looks a lot better than most.

This thread is on the type of guys that change the games or teams radically that they play for. While it would definitely be nice to have guys like that, I doubt any of us can call them game changers whole heartedly.
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Every QB in the league is a 'Game Manager'. That's the most overused intended to be detrimental term in QB analysis.

He has a 10-4 career postseason record, including a win and an MVP award in Super Bowl XLVII. The Ravens are 7-2 in playoff games that he has started since 2010, and Flacco has 20 touchdowns and just three interceptions during that time.

I'm not saying he's in Rodgers' or Luck's class, but he's definitely more than a 'Game Mgr'. I'd be happy for the Rams to have 2 such Game Mgrs.
 
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FrankenRam said:
Every QB in the league is a 'Game Manager'. That's the most overused intended to be detrimental term in QB analysis.

He has a 10-4 career postseason record, including a win and an MVP award in Super Bowl XLVII. The Ravens are 7-2 in playoff games that he has started since 2010, and Flacco has 20 touchdowns and just three interceptions during that time.

I'm not saying he's in Rodgers' or Luck's class, but he's definitely more than a 'Game Mgr'. I'd be happy for the Rams to have 2 such Game Mgrs.
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That's not a detrimental term, I don't know what you mean by that. That's just what he is, sometimes a spade is a spade, he's a game manager. He doesn't really do much, he gets TDs sometimes, but primary he makes sure he moves the ball down field and limits mistakes. Guy was a day one starter and has 8 seasons under his belt and has only sniffed being halfway to 30 TDs twice. Compare that to Ryan, it's a completely different story. You can go all Bill Polian on me as you want, but just saying 'every QB is a game manager when you get down to it.' isn't going to change the fact that the two sets of guys contribute different things and are counted on to do a different set of tasks from each other. Would you say that Jay Cutler is just as much of a game manager as Alex Smith? It has nothing to do with talent, but what they're called upon to do with their talent.

That TD to INT ratio was about as doable again as Foles' TD to INT ration from 2013, both of those had to do with about as much luck as talent, and they definitely won't happen again so using it as some barometer of whatever it's supposed to be a barometer of really doesn't do it for me.

Also postseason wins hardly count as an individual accolade. Trent Dilfer went 5-1 in the playoffs himself, 4-0 with the Ravens, will you be rushing to tell me he's elite?
 
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snackdaddy said:
That would be nice. But he's not sitting behind a Hall of Famer like Rogers did. I don't how much impact it had on Rogers, but it obviously didn't hurt.
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It taught him what not to do. Favre didn't make the best decisions.
 
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HometownBoy said:
Am I the only one who thinks Mannion has a chance to sleeper his way in? If he goes the Rodgers route and sits and learns for a while before coming in then I think Mannion could surprise people.
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I was getting ready to post this EXACT thing. I just wanted to read the entire thread.

I really like how the ball almost explodes out of his hand. It was striking to me how much different he looked compared to Davis and Keenum. Mannion looked like the starter, even in cleanup.

I even asked at the time when Mannion got in at the end of the Oakland game, "does the offense look different to anyone else?" It just had more energy, more pop.

I wasn't alone. Mannion has..IT. I dunno what IT is, but if we develop him along with Gurley and keep this defense chugging along... Holy Mary... this team has a future.
 
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