The OL is a disaster, but the plan was sound.

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AvengerRam

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Sports fans, as a species, are prone to hindsight analysis and critiques. Its what we do.

In the case of the Rams' current OL troubles, however, I think this way of thinking has produced some unfair criticism of Snead/McVay's plan for the OL in 2022. Simply stated, the results don't necessarily determine the soundness of the plan.

Let's look at each position:

Left Tackle: With Andrew Whitworth riding off into the sunset, the Rams elevated Joe Noteboom, and gave him an extension (3 years, $40M, $25M guaranteed). That was a rational choice. Noteboom played well in spot duty last year, including his performance in the divisional round of the playoffs against Tampa Bay. He knows the system, and his price was reasonable. Thus far, his performance has been a bit up and down, but I don't think he's the weak link of the OL by any means. In my mind, he's more likely to be part of the solution than part of the problem in the long run.

Left Guard: David Edwards, who started every game in a championship season, and is still on a rookie contract, was pegged to return. Nobody knew he'd suffer back-to-back concussions. Apart from the injuries, his play has been poor. Perhaps he needs a veteran guy like Whitworth next to him. Edwards is in the final year of his contract, so I don't think he'll be part of the long-term solution.

Center: Brian Allen was re-signed (3 years, $18M, $8M guaranteed) after starting every game in 2021. Nobody knew he'd suffer an injury. Is he the best option going forward at center? I think its fair to at least consider whether Coleman Shelton might ultimately win the job, but clearly Allen is capable of being part of a successful OL. Nobody knew that both Allen and Shelton would be injured, leaving us with a plug in of Jeremiah Kolone. He's clearly not the long-term answer.

Right Guard: The Rams decided not to pay Austin Corbett, who received a 3 year, $29.25M contract from the Panthers. Was that a mistake? While it looks like one today, at the time, it seemed like a reasonable place to save some cap $. The Rams drafted Logan Bruss with their highest draft pick and hoped he'd beat out Coleman Shelton. He was injured, and didn't look like he was ready to take the job before he was hurt, so is that a failure of scouting, or just misfortune? Since the season started, this position has been a revolving door. Shelton moved to center (and then was injured). Then Tremayne Anchrum was injured. This misfortune, however, led to the elevation of Alaric Jackson, who has been a relative bright spot.

Right Tackle: Rob Havenstein, who's started 104 games for the Rams, plus 10 playoff games and 2 Super Bowls, returned. You can certainly question his play this year (particularly this past week), but he is a proven player at his position.

So where was the big error in the plan? I don't see it (cue: Creed Humphrey comments here).

This seems to me to be more of a case of the best laid plans of mice and men going horribly astray.
 

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all good points...I think step one will be to get that same 5 for a few games, that would be nice...see where we stand after that
 

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I agree with that assessment my only thing and I've said this when Goff was QB Stafford or anytime it's just football. You can't roll the dice on the offensive line. It can literally ruin a season and a career. You have to have a reliable 5 maybe 4 that you are absolutely sure on them hope you throw darts and pray you hit on others and then go from there. Without an o-line it's impossible to succeed you could put randy Moss Jerry rice Barry Sanders and it wouldn't matter. We are top heavy but part of the top heavy should of been an elite o-lineman. You can't go into a season giving franchise QB that money and not have the right protection. I know there is only so much money to go around but the o-line is everything even to a shitty offense let alone one that has talent.
 

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Yeah, it's hard to include "don't have a rash of injuries that force 3rd stringers and beyond" in your plans.

I think there is room to argue about whether their plan was good enough or whether they should have a different philosophy regarding OL, but you simply can't plan for injuries to the degree we have had them in that area. Outliers are called outliers for a reason.
 

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The plans almost always make sense......for every team.
Nah... that's an unfair generalization. The Rams brought back 3 starters from a championship team, and one guy (Noteboom) who started and played well in a key playoff game. That's different from a team that went 6-11 and hasn't made the playoffs in years saying "we have a plan."
 

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Nah... that's an unfair generalization. The Rams brought back 3 starters from a championship team, and one guy (Noteboom) who started and played well in a key playoff game. That's different from a team that went 6-11 and hasn't made the playoffs in years saying "we have a plan."
My point is, there is always a plan.
Most, when presented how they are trying to sell it, make sense.
Multiple injuries hitting one position group will derail almost all plans.
 

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Nah... that's an unfair generalization. The Rams brought back 3 starters from a championship team, and one guy (Noteboom) who started and played well in a key playoff game. That's different from a team that went 6-11 and hasn't made the playoffs in years saying "we have a plan."
They could've brought back 4 starters from the sb team and choose a reciever that the qb refuses to even look at. Did the exact same thing after 2018 (bring back 3 starters) and we saw the results. Before last season they brought back 4 starters and actually won a sb.
 

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Sports fans, as a species, are prone to hindsight analysis and critiques. Its what we do.

In the case of the Rams' current OL troubles, however, I think this way of thinking has produced some unfair criticism of Snead/McVay's plan for the OL in 2022. Simply stated, the results don't necessarily determine the soundness of the plan.

Let's look at each position:

Left Tackle: With Andrew Whitworth riding off into the sunset, the Rams elevated Joe Noteboom, and gave him an extension (3 years, $40M, $25M guaranteed). That was a rational choice. Noteboom played well in spot duty last year, including his performance in the divisional round of the playoffs against Tampa Bay. He knows the system, and his price was reasonable. Thus far, his performance has been a bit up and down, but I don't think he's the weak link of the OL by any means. In my mind, he's more likely to be part of the solution than part of the problem in the long run.

Left Guard: David Edwards, who started every game in a championship season, and is still on a rookie contract, was pegged to return. Nobody knew he'd suffer back-to-back concussions. Apart from the injuries, his play has been poor. Perhaps he needs a veteran guy like Whitworth next to him. Edwards is in the final year of his contract, so I don't think he'll be part of the long-term solution.

Center: Brian Allen was re-signed (3 years, $18M, $8M guaranteed) after starting every game in 2021. Nobody knew he'd suffer an injury. Is he the best option going forward at center? I think its fair to at least consider whether Coleman Shelton might ultimately win the job, but clearly Allen is capable of being part of a successful OL. Nobody knew that both Allen and Shelton would be injured, leaving us with a plug in of Jeremiah Kolone. He's clearly not the long-term answer.

Right Guard: The Rams decided not to pay Austin Corbett, who received a 3 year, $29.25M contract from the Panthers. Was that a mistake? While it looks like one today, at the time, it seemed like a reasonable place to save some cap $. The Rams drafted Logan Bruss with their highest draft pick and hoped he'd beat out Coleman Shelton. He was injured, and didn't look like he was ready to take the job before he was hurt, so is that a failure of scouting, or just misfortune? Since the season started, this position has been a revolving door. Shelton moved to center (and then was injured). Then Tremayne Anchrum was injured. This misfortune, however, led to the elevation of Alaric Jackson, who has been a relative bright spot.

Right Tackle: Rob Havenstein, who's started 104 games for the Rams, plus 10 playoff games and 2 Super Bowls, returned. You can certainly question his play this year (particularly this past week), but he is a proven player at his position.

So where was the big error in the plan? I don't see it (cue: Creed Humphrey comments here).

This seems to me to be more of a case of the best laid plans of mice and men going horribly astray.
FWIW, I completely agree, AvengerRam.

Sometimes things just unexpectedly go sideways. Rams OL injuries have been beyond excessive. No way to anticipate that.
 

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They could've brought back 4 starters from the sb team and choose a reciever that the qb refuses to even look at. Did the exact same thing after 2018 (bring back 3 starters) and we saw the results. Before last season they brought back 4 starters and actually won a sb.
If you are suggesting that letting Corbett go and signing Robinson moved the needle on the OL/offense this much, I respectfully disagree.
 

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Ahh hindsight, the sword of the masses. Isn't it great and yes let us play this timeless classic... :laugh1:

I think paying Allen will end up being a mistake. They went with the easy answer at center, investing in a player who had shown some frailty in missing time prior. They had to know his knee was an issue as he wore the robo brace in camp and I presume had a pre-signing physical on him, on top of that.

I am not going to criticize Boom's signing because I think it was a reasonable gamble and if they can get his game a little better he will be ok. But it was a gamble from perspective of his injury history and the Rams not knowing how good he is and as such it may end badly.

Edwards obviously was dependent on Whit. Which makes me wonder why they didn't anticipate this. Were they not aware of it and why not. This one is a conversation with the OL coach for sure.

Starting Shelton over Jackson was undoubtedly due to pass pro but even with struggles as Jackson settles in he is the better choice at guard. Making this worse is the specialized nature of center and the fact Shelton is needed to back up the injury risk nature of Allen.

Lastly I think they let their depth chart get a little weak and we discussed this prior to the season. Truth is they have as a general rule not been a team that prioritizes OL and the injuries fucked them. And nobody is a genius when they lose up front in the NFL. Not even McVay.
 

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Good post.

This line wasn't going to dominate, even when healthy, but would it have been good enough to have a decent season? I sure think so.
I do think it's more than fair to question some of the decisions.. looks like Jackson was a better RG than Shelton, in my eyes.. and we'll see what happens with Edwards.
But the sheer number of injuries is just hard to recover from.

That being said.. I think the coaching staff laid an egg this past weekend and didn't have a plan that could protect the weakness. They could've played a much more conservative game on offense.. and beefed up the run game with jumbo sets.. hoping to keep it a low-scoring affair.

Going big was a needed reset last year.. and would've served them well with a Cowboys offense lead by a backup, imo.
 

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Ahh hindsight, the sword of the masses. Isn't it great and yes let us play this timeless classic... :laugh1:

I think paying Allen will end up being a mistake. They went with the easy answer at center, investing in a player who had shown some frailty in missing time prior. They had to know his knee was an issue as he wore the robo brace in camp and I presume had a pre-signing physical on him, on top of that.

I am not going to criticize Boom's signing because I think it was a reasonable gamble and if they can get his game a little better he will be ok. But it was a gamble from perspective of his injury history and the Rams not knowing how good he is and as such it may end badly.

Edwards obviously was dependent on Whit. Which makes me wonder why they didn't anticipate this. Were they not aware of it and why not. This one is a conversation with the OL coach for sure.

Starting Shelton over Jackson was undoubtedly due to pass pro but even with struggles as Jackson settles in he is the better choice at guard. Making this worse is the specialized nature of center and the fact Shelton is needed to back up the injury risk nature of Allen.

Lastly I think they let their depth chart get a little weak and we discussed this prior to the season. Truth is they have as a general rule not been a team that prioritizes OL and the injuries fucked them. And nobody is a genius when they lose up front in the NFL. Not even McVay.
good stuff, hits the nail on the head, except maybe Edwards, the concussion stuff maybe gives him a mulligan.
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Since you brought it up Merlin, Edwards isn't the only O lineman I question their evaluation of. They have missed on Evans, they keep running him out there when he clearly sucks. A Jackson should have been out there from the start instead of Edwards. He's probably the best of five out there right now and may be a better LT than Noteboom. Brewer, Aboushi and Acuri haven't even had a look. (I hope that changes this week)

And while I'm questioning coaching decisions, I'll add keep handing off to a clueless Akers who can't find the hole play after play when you got a guy who has proved himself sitting on the bench, or only in to pass block or maybe get a swing pass.

(I could go on, but I'll leave room for other ROD'ers to pitch a bitch).

Point here is Boy Wonder and his crew haven't been that great in their evaluations in some respects this year.
 

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Since you brought it up Merlin, Edwards isn't the only O lineman I question their evaluation of. They have missed on Evans, they keep running him out there when he clearly sucks. A Jackson should have been out there from the start instead of Edwards. He's probably the best of five out there right now and may be a better LT than Noteboom. Brewer, Aboushi and Acuri haven't even had a look. (I hope that changes this week)

And while I'm questioning coaching decisions, I'll add keep handing off to a clueless Akers who can't find the hole play after play when you got a guy who has proved himself sitting on the bench, or only in to pass block or maybe get a swing pass.

(I could go on, but I'll leave room for other ROD'ers to pitch a bitch).

Point here is Boy Wonder and his crew haven't been that great in their evaluations in some respects this year.
Very well said, bubba. Agree with every single word, man.
 

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Sports fans, as a species, are prone to hindsight analysis and critiques. Its what we do.

In the case of the Rams' current OL troubles, however, I think this way of thinking has produced some unfair criticism of Snead/McVay's plan for the OL in 2022. Simply stated, the results don't necessarily determine the soundness of the plan.

Let's look at each position:

Left Tackle: With Andrew Whitworth riding off into the sunset, the Rams elevated Joe Noteboom, and gave him an extension (3 years, $40M, $25M guaranteed). That was a rational choice. Noteboom played well in spot duty last year, including his performance in the divisional round of the playoffs against Tampa Bay. He knows the system, and his price was reasonable. Thus far, his performance has been a bit up and down, but I don't think he's the weak link of the OL by any means. In my mind, he's more likely to be part of the solution than part of the problem in the long run.

Left Guard: David Edwards, who started every game in a championship season, and is still on a rookie contract, was pegged to return. Nobody knew he'd suffer back-to-back concussions. Apart from the injuries, his play has been poor. Perhaps he needs a veteran guy like Whitworth next to him. Edwards is in the final year of his contract, so I don't think he'll be part of the long-term solution.

Center: Brian Allen was re-signed (3 years, $18M, $8M guaranteed) after starting every game in 2021. Nobody knew he'd suffer an injury. Is he the best option going forward at center? I think its fair to at least consider whether Coleman Shelton might ultimately win the job, but clearly Allen is capable of being part of a successful OL. Nobody knew that both Allen and Shelton would be injured, leaving us with a plug in of Jeremiah Kolone. He's clearly not the long-term answer.

Right Guard: The Rams decided not to pay Austin Corbett, who received a 3 year, $29.25M contract from the Panthers. Was that a mistake? While it looks like one today, at the time, it seemed like a reasonable place to save some cap $. The Rams drafted Logan Bruss with their highest draft pick and hoped he'd beat out Coleman Shelton. He was injured, and didn't look like he was ready to take the job before he was hurt, so is that a failure of scouting, or just misfortune? Since the season started, this position has been a revolving door. Shelton moved to center (and then was injured). Then Tremayne Anchrum was injured. This misfortune, however, led to the elevation of Alaric Jackson, who has been a relative bright spot.

Right Tackle: Rob Havenstein, who's started 104 games for the Rams, plus 10 playoff games and 2 Super Bowls, returned. You can certainly question his play this year (particularly this past week), but he is a proven player at his position.

So where was the big error in the plan? I don't see it (cue: Creed Humphrey comments here).

This seems to me to be more of a case of the best laid plans of mice and men going horribly astray.
Not planning for the worst is the problem. Allen has proven injury prone (last year was an exception) so not resigning Corbett, who could cover multiple spots was a mistake. Also, depending on a rookie to come in to compete is ok, but you can't always realistically expect them to start right off the bat. Could have signed a vet like Saffold to help our young o-line gel better too as veteran leadership is always important. Yes Creed will be brought up, from the dead again lol, because that really started a string of issues. I stated it long ago when we passed on him during that draft that doing so could have a ripple effect for the o-line. I hate being right, but once again, didn't plan for the worst. Unfortunately, everything being talked about regarding this does nothing because we made our bed. Sucks to be where we are but hopefully McVay and company can figure out how to fix the o-line issues
 

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Even taking into account "hindsight" The team's plan did take some liberties and include assumptions.
We knew that the OL was not a strong run-blocking unit and we also knew we had new starters that weren't entirely proven.
We also had lower round reserves which showed promise more than readiness. It was a calculated risk even when healthy.
Obviously, no team in the league can prepare for such a rash of injuries.

I am very curious to see what we do to address this situation.
 

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Not planning for the worst is the problem. Allen has proven injury prone (last year was an exception) so not resigning Corbett, who could cover multiple spots was a mistake. Also, depending on a rookie to come in to compete is ok, but you can't always realistically expect them to start right off the bat. Could have signed a vet like Saffold to help our young o-line gel better too as veteran leadership is always important. Yes Creed will be brought up, from the dead again lol, because that really started a string of issues. I stated it long ago when we passed on him during that draft that doing so could have a ripple effect for the o-line. I hate being right, but once again, didn't plan for the worst. Unfortunately, everything being talked about regarding this does nothing because we made our bed. Sucks to be where we are but hopefully McVay and company can figure out how to fix the o-line issues
There is no plan for 3rd string though..... and 2nd string playes are 2nd string for a reason.
 

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There is no plan for 3rd string though..... and 2nd string playes are 2nd string for a reason.
Our depth would have been better with better moves. The fact that Evans is still a backup is extremely disturbing. I get the injuries don't help but no one here can honestly say they that the Rams couldn't have done a better job to have better depth.
 

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I'd also add that the two moves made since the season started - signing Oday Aboushi and Matt Skura, who have 112 combined NFL starts, could prove to be steps in the right direction, at least in the short run.