Teams To Interview Raheem Morris For HC Vacancies

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I would be okay with Raheem's frequent use of soft coverages (I have a personal view of soft coverages as 7 yards or more) if he would blitz more often on 3rd and long.
It's always something. But at least we are making progress ... step i step I illustrate what happened and it corrects some memories of people. My opinion some people (don't know about you) don't watch much football other than Rams games.

It's the off-coverages, then it's the blitzing then it's something else.

I have attached the Rams blitz rate. What cracks me up is people who hated the man are praising him this year just because they play more man coverage. It doesn't matter what the results are or the more explosive plays. He's blitzing less this year than in 2021 and 2022. In 2021 he blitzed 7 percent more than Staley did in 2020.
I swear we are last in the league in defending 3rd and long (I might be biased about that since I am a Ram fan).
I think it's also possible you some saw conversions and it frustrated you and it stuck with you ever since. If you know what the 3rd and long conversion rates are let me know (I have them (2021-23 for 3&8 or longer if you want), you may or may not like the answer.

I do know the Rams 3rd down conversion rate under Morris is 13th best in NFL -- through Dec 15th this year...so it's missing last two games but if he's 13th imagine how you'd feel if Rams were worse (49ers 16th, Chiefs 17th, Bengals 23rd, Eagles 28th--those are last year's final 4 teams) Chargers 26th ...

So I try to bring fairness and context. Not just what I think I saw.

I don't think you will do this, but have had this debate before. Someone claims something, I prove it wrong, then it's "yeah, but what about this" ... and that's wrong, too. And not just my opinion, I prove things by showing clips or stills or stats or all three. And anyone is welcome to do their own research and dispute me.

Maybe we do blitz more often that I remember, but I just recall time and again giving up a 1st down or just a yard short on 3rd and long.
But do other teams do that? Are you just so emotionally involved with your team (nothing wrong with that, either. It's what makes us all fans) that you notice it more when it happens to the Rams?

In 2021 Morris blitzed at a top 5 rate. Then less in 2022 and even less in 2023, when people have far fewer complaints.


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I think people don't like what off-coverage looks like and as fans hold Morris to a much higher account than they do with other teams.
They see it and hear Aikman and Greg Olsen say "soft coverage" and then ape it for a few years.

And because of some 3rd and long failures and some big failures in games, they forget what the results are. And while we'd all like to see better --- I would, we all want a dominant defense --- they freaked out and wanted Morris gone after 2021's Cardinal game at SoFi. And then people said this and said that and finally, I said the things they were saying are::

(1) True i.e. "the defense is not as good as it was in 2020". That was just a fact.

(2) False, but just good faith lack of understanding what is going on "they are 15 yards off" or "they don't blitz very often", etc.

(3) True, but there is context like other teams, including Staley did the same things "They play 8 yards off" or "They don't blitz like Spags or Wink or Flores" the "well, yeah, but here is why" can be a valid response to those. It is then just a matter of wanting something we cannot have. The scheme is what McVay ordered and Morris delivered it. We may not like Fangio's scheme but it's hard to do more than one scheme. There is a saying that if you do everything you are not going to be good at anything. Some coaches try to do everything, mix and match. That's fine -- if it works. Others want to get good at what they want to run .. buy into the philosophy. McVay wanted this for good or bad

(4) Outright lies. This is only for people who have been shown ample evidence that their assumptions are errant but keep repeating them over and over.

5) Pure personal hate, questioning his smarts and courage, you know, the nasty stuff.

There are more nuances to it but the bottom line is there are some who will never stop hating the dude. With others, debates can be had ... I just got to a point where people just lost their heads.

They wanted to fire a coach 7-8-9 weeks into a season he helped win a Super Bowl. Then in 2022 when the offense was a disaster (injuries) they reverted to the same noise.

They talked like Rams were 32 in points allowed, 32nd in points allowed, 32nd in 3rd down conversions ... you know, things that means a coach should be fired. Morris was never close to that but the critics tried to gaslight people into believing Rams defense was bottom 5 while forgetting that the offense in 2002 WAS a bottom 5.

#perspective #fairness
 
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There is a lot going on in this thread as I would expect from a Rah thread I suppose.
I have a question/statement of sorts.

Rah catches S4!7 for playing soft, we have been burned big in press. What are the other viable options? In press you get the chuck (contact) playing off you can read/react. What else is there? It isn't as though the options are limitless

What McVay saw done to his own offense made him a believer in the match/soft zones ... whether we think he was right or not. And whether it as executed better in 2020 than is was after.

The vanilla theory has merit ... for good or for ill and it gives offensive coaches pause, cases them to have to change reads and so on.
It does not mean I or we have to like it or love what it looks like, but what must be opposed is that Morris is stupid and a coward which some people have expressed.

It's just my take is that with Rams offense among the worst in offensive 3 and outs (a 40% 3 and out rate per Trumedia -- as per Jourdan) the defense was last in press man. Now ... offense is a little better and Rams are middle of the pack in press coverage but also the defense has taken more big hits... but what is up more ... is the other things. So --- I guess we can live with a worse defense if it's up 14-15 slots in the rate of man coverage--depending on source ... anyway

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Tell me about Cobie Durant & what he is going to look like Sunday? Then everybody’s favorite Kendrick?
—Fullers ankle is going to make him slower.Is Yeast the guy ?

The Rams also started of with 6 DB’s against the 8ers.Reeder was getting a lot of Reps as well of late & was calling the defense.Sort of Funny the Trust Raheem has in him.

Staley had him in SD as well,but he was a BIG PART of his his number 1 defense when he was the DC for The Rams.

Solid breakdown,but if you’re looking at a whole from Raheem Morris’s standpoint. I’d say he plays more towards his personnel.Best example & him having his hands tied goes to keeping Jalen Ramsey happy.

He is HC quality & he has enough NFL credit to land a HC job.I know he is ready for it.
Is that the ass 8ers?
 

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What McVay saw done to his own offense made him a believer in the match/soft zones ... whether we think he was right or not. And whether it as executed better in 2020 than is was after.

The vanilla theory has merit ... for good or for ill and it gives offensive coaches pause, cases them to have to change reads and so on.
It does not mean I or we have to like it or love what it looks like, but what must be opposed is that Morris is stupid and a coward which some people have expressed.

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I believe that other than case by case in a vacuum which isn't possible This staff has done a great job and gotten about all it can out of the defense with the present personnel.
 

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If Raheem gets hired away for a HC job, you think Belichick would come run the defense? Him and McVay are close.
 

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I believe that other than case by case in a vacuum which isn't possible This staff has done a great job and gotten about all it can out of the defense with the present personnel.
Yeah, I think that is it. This is just me, but I have been on Turner since September and he's better than I thought he would be ... and I was high on him. You cannot underestimate how much he's helped the defense. I like Gaines, but what is replacing Gaines is Brown in the base defense... plus Kobie rotating with him ... and Kobie in nickel. Gaines had no business being on the field on 3rd downs but there was no one else.

Spoon has been beaten last half of the season but he played well enough to go from basically the left corner to a full-time boundary corner because he showed he could play some press man. So while cover-1 is up from 8-9% to 12-13% and kind of rounds the defense out. Spoon is that reason. And he's been burned, but he's made some plays, too.

Hopefully, the cooler heads will prevail and people will come to realize that Morris was never stupid or scared. He was limited by offensive and even a couple defensive injuries in 2022 and did what he had to do (under the supervision of McVay) and was better than the critics said in 2021 and doing a decent job in 2023, better than most expected.

I wouldn't give him grades of A for the three years but given the circumstances, I think he's been a solid B when ranked vs all the other DC in the NFL. I just got tired of people saying that playing "soft" by definition only means this: scared and stupid ... that was way off base.





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If Raheem gets hired away for a HC job, you think Belichick would come run the defense? Him and McVay are close.

Two words describe what Belicheat and I would say: “Fuck” and “no”.
 

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I believe that other than case by case in a vacuum which isn't possible This staff has done a great job and gotten about all it can out of the defense with the present personnel.

Ram veterans culture & leadership (mentoring) has & will always be apart of it under Sean Mcvay.
This group of players,coaches, plus Mcvay being super focused has done an excellent job.
 

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Wes Phillips went with O’Connel,but he wasn’t going to get a promotion.

Funny - had me thinking about the OC in Carolina ? I did follow them at all,but a fair question if my memory was right ?
 

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Yeah - really freaking funny ! I mean if there was a coaching change in 2023 ,besides Mike Lafleur it would be Brown’s replacement.

Super deserving of credit that no one is talking about.

Kyren Williams is good(excellent) , Ron Gould has such a good job coaching the RB’s
 

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That's what I heard from a podcast. The upper levels at Arrowhead are freakin' cold and windy anyway and it's supposed to by 8 degrees for a high, let alone wind chill. People would rather watch from home than endure that.
What I heard from a podcast is that body paint insulates. So just go shirtless city boy. :cold:
 

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Yeah, I think that is it. This is just me, but I have been on Turner since September and he's better than I thought he would be ... and I was high on him. You cannot underestimate how much he's helped the defense. I like Gaines, but what is replacing Gaines is Brown in the base defense... plus Kobie rotating with him ... and Kobie in nickel. Gaines had no business being on the field on 3rd downs but there was no one else.

Spoon has been beaten last half of the season but he played well enough to go from basically the left corner to a full-time boundary corner because he showed he could play some press man. So while cover-1 is up from 8-9% to 12-13% and kind of rounds the defense out. Spoon is that reason. And he's been burned, but he's made some plays, too.

Hopefully, the cooler heads will prevail and people will come to realize that Morris was never stupid or scared. He was limited by offensive and even a couple defensive injuries in 2022 and did what he had to do (under the supervision of McVay) and was better than the critics said in 2021 and doing a decent job in 2023, better than most expected.

I wouldn't give him grades of A for the three years but given the circumstances, I think he's been a solid B when ranked vs all the other DC in the NFL. I just got tired of people saying that playing "soft" by definition only means this: scared and stupid ... that was way off base.





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Good call on Turner.His speed for a DT closing in on QB’s is incredible. He had a lot of neat sacks early in the season.

My question to you still is what’s going to happen Sunday with th CB’s ? Your talking Whiterspoon.

What about Kendrick? Is Durant the opposite of Spoon ?
IMO - Kendrick will be the guy ?

Is Lake & Johnson the
Safeties with Fuller ?

The good thing about last Sunday was Jones got an extra week to get healthier.

Shula is a LBers coach,not a DB’s coach. The experience in the long run might be good,but not worth the risk.

Who gets the DC job next season?
 

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Good call on Turner.His speed for a DT closing in on QB’s is incredible. He had a lot of neat sacks early in the season.

My question to you still is what’s going to happen Sunday with th CB’s ? Your talking Whiterspoon.

What about Kendrick? Is Durant the opposite of Spoon ?
IMO - Kendrick will be the guy ?
I think Durant starts with Spoon. Kendrick may rotate in, he has been last few weeks. But

Is Lake & Johnson the
Safeties with Fuller ?
As I said before ... too hard to know ... I gave 3-4 scenarios ... but I don't know who they want at star --- Lake? If so then Years would start for an absent Fuller. If they want quicker Cb-type at star Durant would play it and Kendrick would probably start ... but the X factor is Duke Shelly. What if he looks good in practice? What if his experience in NFC North would give him edge? So, don't know.
Sheely could have been activated for simply special teams... so, just saying I don't know ... Not sure anyone but McVay & Co.

Who gets the DC job next season?
I don't know of RM gets a job or not. Probably will but never say never. It could be RM again. If he goes...no idea ... Jimmy Lake? Pleasant? Henderson? Gun to my head it would be Lake.
 

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I think Durant starts with Spoon. Kendrick may rotate in, he has been last few weeks. But


As I said before ... too hard to know ... I gave 3-4 scenarios ... but I don't know who they want at star --- Lake? If so then Years would start for an absent Fuller. If they want quicker Cb-type at star Durant would play it and Kendrick would probably start ... but the X factor is Duke Shelly. What if he looks good in practice? What if his experience in NFC North would give him edge? So, don't know.
Sheely could have been activated for simply special teams... so, just saying I don't know ... Not sure anyone but McVay & Co.


I don't know of RM gets a job or not. Probably will but never say never. It could be RM again. If he goes...no idea ... Jimmy Lake? Pleasant? Henderson? Gun to my head it would be Lake.
The cool thing about the coaching staff is their peers
& friends of Mcvay.

I’d HATE for Eric Henderson to leave with Raheem. He & AD(D’Lineman) are tight.AD99 has taken on such a LEADERSHIP role!!! AD99 has always worked hard,but Kobie Turner has taken it to another level as a rookie.His character (person) just Carries over from the locker room(weights).I could go on more.

Shula- I saw him & Wife(kids) day 1 in terms of Mcvay’s first walk through game.He took a love of TEAM(WE)!! Tru Johnson he gave a huge to at the 50 yard line once the whistle blew(pre game).

Kromer & Mike run the Thursday show.It’s Havenstiens day off. Veterans Day use to be Wednesday,not sure how that has changed.Noteboom still has that quiet veteran Leadership role,but it’s Big Rob taking over for Big Whit!!! Brian Allen & Shelton have really taken over knowing ALL THE O’LINE CALLs!
Steve Avila has brought so much to The Offensive Line.

Can we say enough about Yhe Rams OFFENSIVE LINE in 2023 ? In 2018 it was good, but this 2023 OFFENSIVE LINE is THE BEST since say 1999-early 2000(1-2)?

We can talk about the OFFENSE in WHOLE as well !!! Dotson was a GODSIN like I said before.Oldbutnotdead’s crush on Raheem Morris is worse than Big Rob!!! I mean LEADSHIP(ownership) is so UNDERRATED!!!! Big ROB that first game under Mcvay was going into his 3rd season with The Rams when Mcvay’s rookie season.Jamon Brown was like his brother as a rookie.Roger Saffold was lost.The Rams didn’t have leadership.John Sullivan came over to Big Whitworth on the sidelines. They were developing their unity as a TEAM !! Seeing that was cool(can go on)

What I’ll say from the above it those pieces still fit.Seeing players develop & how they interact within there selfs is unique. JARED GOFF was the leader as a 2nd year guy.JARED GOFF is still a leader.He came over to BIG WHIT & JOHN SULLIVAN after the Offensive first set. River was by himself kneeling.He had just got used by a Chargers All Pro DT.

We can talk about Rams history’s & moves.I think Mcvay sort of surrendered to LES SNEAD in 2023!!!He asked Les point blank about Turner.Snead is a trip & has become FULL GEEK MOOD MAD SCIENTIST!! He said he like the kid from Georgia Tech better than the rest of the group.
—The Rams were lucky to get Byron Young & got a 2nd chance when it was announced The Saints took the guy from BAMA not TENNESSEE!! Turner was still available as well.

I could have had a group of kids cheer for Raheem Morris.It would have been a classic moment for me,but for The Rams training camp.I really like Raheem Morris.He takes it all in & appreciates where he is in LIFE!! I know he is ready to move on. He almost became The Rams HC this season.He got screwed (not really) by the Colts.They actually made an excellent hire,but Raheem was almost there.Lucky for The Rams!!!!
Raheem (almost) really had the VIKINGS JOB. Superbowl was what Morris wanted for The Rams the most.

Classic though is the full circle. Vrable getting the Titans job & hiring Lafleur from The Rams. Jared Goff had to deal with Matt & Sean’s egos. All 3 were CHEWING Big Time !! Wads!!
QB is an interesting thing.Mike LaFleur as The Rams OC is cool.
He is so young that he won’t get that HC job interview. His focus will be totally on Detroit.
—Mcvay knows he did Goff wrong.He admits to it,but it worked out Big Time!! What’s UNSAID did that whole Wolford thing!!! Now that Pete Carroll is gone he can blame Mcvay.There OC (exRam) O’Line coach Dickerson??Waldon.
Point There SS took Wolford out because Higbee missed the Block. Jared Goff came in with his broken Thumb to lead The Rams to victory.

The 9ers in 2021(2) did The Rams a huge favor.Rams lossing at SOFI last 2nd helped get them into the playoffs.Beating Green Bay in Green Bay(ask Demoff) is something The Rams haven’t been able to do.That Covid year they let the Fans lose.I don’t think Stafford would have won there.

My guess is that loss to Green Bay 2020(21) was the last Playoff game Jared Goff has played in ???

Like I said I can go on. You’re not going to hear all that from Jourdon though. That Rams History is special. We can go back to Havienstien & Saffold with Fisher in the So Cal region..
—Yes Demoff & Stan knew what was up !! It was all about if st.Louis was going to redo the lease.Once they didn’t.Basically Ground broke for SOFI !! If not it was housing.The city(police) already had the zoning in place.
all architecture
designs signed off on..

They won there lawsuit which Stan was actually happy to pay!! Whose House ? Stan already won a Superbowl there,so eat that 9er Fans!!

Go Rams - totally geeked up for it in another way.Fully excited.
 

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Cobie Durant scares me as a cover CB. He got burned so bad last week.Just like the end of 2022.Pkys he doesn’t tackle well on the Edge!! That’s why Kendrick starts there.

I don’t know what’s up there. 53youngblood (Jim?) is talking about Shelly! Like you(he) says who knows.

My guess is Derion Kendrick vets the start & is still underrated by RAMS FANS !!!
 

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I do know the Rams 3rd down conversion rate under Morris is 13th best in NFL
Oh I think the Rams have one of the best 3rd down rates under Morris for 3rd and 5 or less. They seem to do a really good job on those downs. Makes up for the 3rd and long conversions. Plus when they are a yard short, that helps the 3rd down conversion rate.

I watch almost every Bills game with my wife as well so I see the difference. The Bills have one of the best defenses and imo it is because they are extremely agressive with their CBs and rushing tactics. And they do not have the best CBs either with White going down but Rasul Douglass did help. Baltimore is also almost always in the top tier defensive wise due to their aggressiveness.

I just think Morris needs to add some aggressiveness on 3rd and long to really take this defense to a top tier defense.
 

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You better get yourself to Arrowhead this weekend!. The have a deal for playoff seating.
Upper Deck:$60
Field Level: $125

Can't imagine why.....
Maybe because it’s forecasted to be 2 degrees during that game.

They may think fans won’t show up