LesBaker
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This just in: Getting rid of Bradford at this point guarantees a full refund of his $50 million dollar contract to our 2014 salary cap
Then what the hell are they waiting for?
This just in: Getting rid of Bradford at this point guarantees a full refund of his $50 million dollar contract to our 2014 salary cap
Not a leader how?
I've never read there has been any issue with Sam. Everything I have read about Bradford indicates he is always there and a hard worker.
If you want to talk about completion %, not pushing the ball downfield, taking sacks ect, ok, there can be a discussion.
But, saying he does not have leadership qualities (not everyone is a fist pumper, spike the ball, yell for the camera) is based on nothing. No one on this board knows whether he is or not.
I would assume he is based more on things going badly under the first administration and not hearing a peep coming out about Sam, as opposed to what typically happens....see Washington last year.
How do you figure that?I agree somewhat with this, however Sam doesn't do one thing, that for me, shows he has leadership; He doesn't make anyone around him better. Look around the league, would you say that about Wilson, RGIII, Luck, etc? No because they make their teammates better. I don't car that he isn't a rah rah type of leader, I care that he makes plays and wins. He has done neither.
What has Griffin done? Who has he made better? Do you think the Rams WR talent has been the same as the Colts?I agree somewhat with this, however Sam doesn't do one thing, that for me, shows he has leadership; He doesn't make anyone around him better. Look around the league, would you say that about Wilson, RGIII, Luck, etc? No because they make their teammates better. I don't car that he isn't a rah rah type of leader, I care that he makes plays and wins. He has done neither.
When you see guys like Luck implode and lose (like, against the Rams) or Manning look like Tebow and tank (like, against the Seahawks), do you hang that on them, or do you acknowledge that they simply didn't have the support for those particular games? Those are just two examples, but there are dozens more I can bring up with many other QBs. The issue for every loss I can list, is that the QB (who would otherwise be considered good) just didn't have the protection, or the run game, or the defense at the time to pull out a win. Sometimes they'd be missing all three. Hell, I even made a video once of Aaron Rodgers losing, and illustrated why.I don't car that he isn't a rah rah type of leader, I care that he makes plays and wins. He has done neither.
When you see guys like Luck implode and lose (like, against the Rams) or Manning look like Tebow and tank (like, against the Seahawks), do you hang that on them, or do you acknowledge that they simply didn't have the support for those particular games? Those are just two examples, but there are dozens more I can bring up with many other QBs. The issue for every loss I can list, is that the QB (who would otherwise be considered good) just didn't have the protection, or the run game, or the defense at the time to pull out a win. Sometimes they'd be missing all three. Hell, I even made a video once of Aaron Rodgers losing, and illustrated why.
Here's my point. Take those isolated incidences and see if there's any merit to the *idea* that a QB can't do it all. I can probably count on one hand the number of games that Bradford lost on his own with just bad QB play (like the Jets game), but I'd need several more appendages in order to show you how other facets of the game can take a QB completely out of the equation (like kicking to Patrick Peterson and not tackling him) can cause a loss.
Bradford is very seldom the *reason* why the Rams lose. Can he be better? Of course he can. He can (for me) develop a gun-slinger mentality and start putting blind faith in his receivers; but by not doing that, he's keeping mistakes to a minimum and giving the other 45 guys a chance to contribute to the win. Over the past 7 years, however, have you seen a Rams team (a combination of O-line, receivers, run game, defense and special teams) strong enough to give ANY QB a snowball's chance to *take over a game by himself*? Because I surely haven't. Maybe you have. And if so, can you tell me which year that was?
As per your examples, Luck only had to be better than Curtis Painter to succeed. How hard is that to do? That was (and is) a perennial playoff team for a decade. Luck is a good QB, but have you really tried to break him down at all? Wilson and Griffin had some of the lowest number of pass attempts in the league, while posting the highest number of rush attempts. Those teams were built to accommodate that style of play, and the Rams were not. Wilson is a good QB who has a pretty damn good team at his disposal, though. Griffin, on the other hand, has been exposed as a dual threat who can only succeed by BEING a dual threat. What happens to a team that is built around a running QB who can no longer run? (See: our first draft choice this year).
You make some good points but I can counter them by saying that Sam IS the reason the Rams lost in some games. If you want to break guys down there will always be numbers for the good and the bad. I am simply saying that Sam doesn't win.....period. He's had 4 years and yes some bad players around him but, he still doesn't win and is very injury prone. I don't care about stats, I care that my QB, who is supposed to be an elite talent, wins games and stays on the field. I still say we can get 7 wins with a rookie and the 2-3 other players we could get for Sam's huge salary.
I HOPE Sam blows up the league this year and I eat crow, but I doubt it. I think we might have seen all check down Sam has to offer already.
Neither does Robert Quinn. I guess we need a new LDE.You make some good points but I can counter them by saying that Sam IS the reason the Rams lost in some games. If you want to break guys down there will always be numbers for the good and the bad. I am simply saying that Sam doesn't win.....period.
Anytime a writer or poster brings up the salary issue, they lose me! Blame the scheme if you like, it sucked at times. Don't blame the qb for executing the scheme! Plenty of blame to go around! Not buying the blame Sam line of reasoning!A must read on Sam Bradford and Brian Schottenheimer. It may bring some of the Sam apologists over, but probably not.
http://www.sportsonearth.com/articl...s-draft-a-quarterback-to-replace-sam-bradford
A). Don't do that.A must read on Sam Bradford and Brian Schottenheimer. It may bring some of the Sam apologists over, but probably not.
http://www.sportsonearth.com/articl...s-draft-a-quarterback-to-replace-sam-bradford
@Hawk I get that you're new here but one of the many things that makes this place better that those others is that we avoid name calling. Please join us in that, won't you?A must read on Sam Bradford and Brian Schottenheimer. It may bring some of the Sam apologists over, but probably not.
http://www.sportsonearth.com/articl...s-draft-a-quarterback-to-replace-sam-bradford
I just took the time to actually read through that article. Its GARBAGE and it should be hauled off as GARBAGE.A must read on Sam Bradford and Brian Schottenheimer. It may bring some of the Sam apologists over, but probably not.
http://www.sportsonearth.com/articl...s-draft-a-quarterback-to-replace-sam-bradford
I watched every single Sam Bradford pass from 2013 on All-22 coaches film. IT WAS TORTURE. For starters, it meant watching seven Rams games, which are generally as bad as episodes of Alaska Spot Welders
The only reason to watch a Rams game is to see their front four debilitate opposing offenses, but I experienced none of that joy. I was on a mission. Let's face it, I don't watch the Rams much unless they are facing the Seahawks or Niners, and neither do you if you live outside Missouri.