Stafford Talk

[Ellard80]

Something doesn't fit. Stafford and McVay have said Matt has a torn thumb UCL. Normally that doesn't completely heal by itself without surgery. Without surgery, even a minor tear takes about 4 weeks minimum to heal as much as it's going to, enough to allow the thumb to function. But it will still be subject to reinjury. So now they are claiming he will play in 2 weeks? They better get Wentz up to speed in these two weeks giving him first team reps because it seems to me he's going to simply aggravate the injury. Cedar Sinai a few years ago came up with an outpatient surgery procedure that installs an internal brace cutting the healing time to 6 weeks from 12 weeks without a brace. I might accept this if it was a UCL sprain but they said the diagnosis was a tear. So it doesn't make sense.

I think the signing of Carson suddenly has made Matt's thumb feel better. All we can do is see how well he can throw and hopefully, he won't fumble the ball. If Stafford's UCL completely tears he's gone for the season because they are looking at a 12 week recovery time frame. It would seem to me that giving him 4 weeks to heal (missing two games) makes more sense than risking losing him for the season after one or two games.

In this light signing Wentz makes even more sense.

sprain ucl not tear....

 

[Gandalf]

That’s because McVay used to hate losing

Used... to hate losing? I hope he still hates losing.

 

[Gandalf]

Goff is proving what I have always contended. Had McVay designed his scheme around Goff's skillset he would be the QB he is today but in LA. Instead he wanted "his" QB so he sabotaged Jared by keeping him in the huddle until the final 15 seconds. People believed that was because Jared couldn't read defenses. Well he reads them damn good now....funny how that is. I think the Rams would have won the Super Bowl in the 2021 season with Goff.

The dark side of McVay is he intentionally stunted Goff's development to manipulate a trade. From 2019 on it was in the works. Why else would a HC dismantle one of the best OLs in the NFL and force his QB to play behind scrubs? He needed to justify the trade. But Goff almost wrecked his plans when he finished with a winning record and the playoffs being missed was on Zuerline.

In 2020 McVay shuffled the OL again. But the Rams finished 10-6. If anyone believes the BS that it was a coincidence that Stafford and McVay just happen to be vacationing on the same weekend in the same resort after Snead officially shut the negotiations down for the weekend to back SF off, there is a bridge in SF for sale.

McVay never wanted Goff. I love Stafford and love how it worked out. But I doubt Stafford can finish next season without injury. It's really time to look for that next QB.

I don't know about everything you said, but when McVay burned his time outs before it was all on Goff. But, it's still as bad as ever and Goff is long gone.

 

[Gandalf]

Praising Goff is all well and good, and he's deserving.
Ragging on Stafford's record with no reference to what he had (has) around him for support, is ludicrous - aka not really worth reading.

And speaking of support, Goff has been lucky enough to have been traded to a team with a fucking BUTTLOAD of high draft picks,
and a great GM, so yeah his star is rising as Stafford's is falling, but it is not due to their respective individual talent, or lack thereof.

They have had a lot of picks, it's a bummer that a lot of them were from us.

 

[Psycho_X]

Stafford and McVay have said Matt has a torn thumb UCL.

They did?

 

[Ramlife]

They did?

Well shit, I thought it was a sprain.

 

[FarNorth]

Praising Goff is all well and good, and he's deserving.
Ragging on Stafford's record with no reference to what he had (has) around him for support, is ludicrous - aka not really worth reading.

And speaking of support, Goff has been lucky enough to have been traded to a team with a fucking BUTTLOAD of high draft picks,
and a great GM, so yeah his star is rising as Stafford's is falling, but it is not due to their respective individual talent, or lack thereof.

Goff didn’t have a bunch of high picks to work with when he turned the Lions O around last year. He did have high pick Pennei Sewell at RT and an experienced oline. Lions had Jameson Williams recovering from an acl but he made almost no contribution.

At WR Goff had Amon Ra St Brown, the 18th receiver taken in the 2021 draft, Rams castoff Josh Reynolds from waivers, Kalif Raymond, and DJ Chark. No real passing catching TE after they traded Hockenson at the deadline. Two RBs they didn’t bring back this year. Lions were 3d in NFL in total yards, 5th in points, 6th in passing yards.

 

[XXXIVwin]

The words sprain and tear are sometimes used interchangeably.

We've been told that MS has a sprained UCL (ulnar collateral ligament) in his thumb.

A mild sprain involves over-stretching of the ligament.

A moderate sprain involves a PARTIAL tear of the ligament.

A severe sprain involves a complete tear or separation from bone.

If MS had a severe sprain and a COMPLETE tear of the ligament, there's no way he'd even be considered to be ready after the bye.

So IF any tearing was involved, and MS has a chance to play vs. Seattle, it must have been only PARTIAL tearing at most.

Bottom line, people can get sloppy with the word "tear", without indicating the crucial difference between a partial tear and a complete tear.

So yeah, logic and basic medical knowledge and common sense would suggest that MS had either a mild or moderate sprain, given that he missed one week yet has a chance to return 3 weeks later.

And for anyone who gets fussy about it, I'll add the usual disclaimers that I'm just stating my own opinion, and going by general medical knowledge, and yea this is (gasp!) speculation, and I don't have any inside info etc etc etc .

 

[oldnotdead]

Matthew Stafford gives update on injured thumb, which is 'feeling better' than he expected

Matthew Stafford admits he was worried his thumb injury was serious, but it’s “feeling better” than he expected it to

theramswire.usatoday.com

The article says TEAR not sprain. Don't believe me about the treatment look it up. I don't have to because Maggie's brother had a UCL thumb tear. He works in construction.

So yeah they implied sprain at first but that isn't what the medical diagnosis was.

 

[oldnotdead]

A muscle sprain can involve muscle tearing. But a ligament is different. A tear is more serious and takes longer to heal. A UCL strain is basically an overstretching and does not necessarily involve a tear.

 

[Allen2McVay]

The words sprain and tear are sometimes used interchangeably.

Kind of like if a woman says ... 'that was really great' or 'that didn't really work for me' ... interchangeable.

It means the same thing ... Right? ... RIGHT?!?!?!

 

[oldnotdead]

A muscle strain usually involves some muscle tearing though normally it's minimal. But when you are talking about ligaments thats a different thing. A sprain is an overstretching and tear is different. I'm sure he didn't get surgery because basically he's gone for the year. He can get the surgery in the offseason. That said if he doesn't it will be a chronic thing like it is now.

Matt's body is telling him he can't play much longer. IMO he might get through 2024 but that's it. It wouldn't surprise me if he retired a year early. That's a huge cap hit next year but only for a year. Again perhaps motivation to sign Wentz and look at him practicing with the ones. They could offer him a two year prove it type deal basically to spread the cap hit. Ideally, Stafford plays through 2024 before retiring.

 

[Dodgersrf]

The words sprain and tear are sometimes used interchangeably.

We've been told that MS has a sprained UCL (ulnar collateral ligament) in his thumb.

A mild sprain involves over-stretching of the ligament.

A moderate sprain involves a PARTIAL tear of the ligament.

A severe sprain involves a complete tear or separation from bone.

If MS had a severe sprain and a COMPLETE tear of the ligament, there's no way he'd even be considered to be ready after the bye.

So IF any tearing was involved, and MS has a chance to play vs. Seattle, it must have been only PARTIAL tearing at most.

Bottom line, people can get sloppy with the word "tear", without indicating the crucial difference between a partial tear and a complete tear.

So yeah, logic and basic medical knowledge and common sense would suggest that MS had either a mild or moderate sprain, given that he missed one week yet has a chance to return 3 weeks later.

And for anyone who gets fussy about it, I'll add the usual disclaimers that I'm just stating my own opinion, and going by general medical knowledge, and yea this is (gasp!) speculation, and I don't have any inside info etc etc etc .

Yes.
Technically, a sprain is a tear.

 

[oldnotdead]

Not all sprains are tears. A mild sprain is ligment stretching a moderate sprain can include some tearing.

 

[Memphis Ram]

I’m not saying the 21 team wasn’t better because that would be wrong. But I’m not saying he’s been downgraded to a JV roster. I’m not sure if it’s the playcalling or what, but Stafford is holding onto the ball too long and not playing with any rhythm like he did the first few weeks. He’s playing like shit. Period.

By now everyone should know that Kupp is the first option on just about every pass play even if Stafford initially tries to look away.

IMO, the Rams need physicality and less finesse.

The offense had gone stale even in 2021 until they started feeding Sony Michel.

Stafford never had much of a rushing attack in Detroit either, but now I'm beginning to believe that he might be a part of the problem with the way he prefers to play and NFL coaches falling in love with his arm talent.

 

[Neil039]

Potato vs potatoe

 

[Allen2McVay]

Potato vs potatoe

Does anyone really say 'Potatoe'?

If so, what the hell is wrong with them!

 

[Faceplant]

Does anyone really say 'Potatoe'?

If so, what the hell is wrong with them!

View: https://youtu.be/oYNGCNtDb-w?feature=shared

 

[Merlin]

Kupp looks like he’s still shaking off some rust. Williams was hitting his stride but got hurt crimping our run game. LT is significantly worse and OC is at lower level. TE contributions have all but disappeared. Other than that we’re in lock step with the ‘21 offense.

LT can erode your line's confidence when it's not there. This line has basically been shit since Whit hung 'em up. Week to week they are up and down, mostly down, so they share that responsibility with Stafford on killing this offense. I'm sure we can throw McVay in there too, but some of that is because he has a QB who is capable of a winning with his arm but not the OL, and the rest is he shitcans the run too easily which expedites all this BS. Also vs the better DCs his route combos are anticipated badly I think, but that's also a side effect of having such a flawed line. Sitting on routes vs Kupp and Nacua wouldn't be nearly as effective if they had better protections.

I fear that Kupp came back too early. But either way we need him making plays and beating DBs, not dropping passes. Whole bunch of players who need to do better in this second half, just hope we can avoid injuries because this roster does not have any room for error.

And I agree losing Williams was a massive hit. I think McVay was just getting comfortable with and trusting him. This next draft they need to expend a mid to late pick on a back who is trustworthy in terms of being ready to go, and who has some size and beef to him to eat carries while Williams is the change of pace.

 

[Zodi]

Stafford and McVay have said Matt has a torn thumb UCL.

I thought they said it was sprained and not as bad as initially thought? That would imply a grade 1 sprain. I haven't heard McVay say it was torn, aka grade 2 or 3.