Rams select Kobie Turner (DL) with the 89th pick.

[Kupped]

If Turner turns into Geno Atkins, I'll eat a tongue sandwich. That's a pretty high ceiling.

That is a high standard.. but if he can be 80% of Atkins.. and average 6 sacks a year at his position.. that would be pretty solid.

I think another big body would be good to draft this year.. and maybe take a look at bringing Gaines back on a vet min?

 

[Merlin]

Definitely impressed by Turner thus far. That said we could use a couple more DL on this roster.

First off a 5T would be nice, which can be done by smaller DTs but the best ones tend to be tall and rangy with good strength. Think a classic End type. We don't have anyone on the roster who is ideal for that. And in that role there is value if you are strong enough to stand up RTs in general in the run game, so it's not like we need a guy with top rush ability in that spot. Just a rangy and strong rotation element would do the trick. Now maybe Brown could develop into that guy for us, but I remain skeptical with him for now.

Also a space eater NT would be helpful. Turner is fantastic in the envisioned usage where he and AD anchor smaller fronts and still get pressures in passing situations. He also is solid vs the run which has been what surprised me most. But there are teams and situations where that snot bubbler would be useful for the rotation. One thing that has hurt NTs is the predominance of zone blocking schemes, in that so many teams either run it outright or are capable of mixing it in, so you gotta find one who can keep his feet. But I'd like to see more beef for sure in our rotation.

You want to beat SF more regularly being able to shut their run down is the key. I want more dominance on the lines, both sides of the ball, and in defense in particular doing this while we still have AD has potential to cause SF a lot of problems.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

If Turner turns into Geno Atkins, I'll eat a tongue sandwich. That's a pretty high ceiling.

Tongue sandwiches are awesome. I make them like pulled pork. It is so tender that I t melts in your mouth.

Rams still need another DT next year. Hopefully with some size.

My hopes- sign Danielle Hunter and draft Jer’Zahn Newton (Johnny) from Illinois. He’s so disruptive on the interior.



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[Merlin]

My hopes- sign Danielle Hunter and draft Jer’Zahn Newton (Johnny) from Illinois. He’s so disruptive on the interior.

Natural 3T right there. If he is the pick he's AD's replacement but yeah we'd have a very hard group up front to block on passing downs.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Natural 3T right there. If he is the pick he's AD's replacement but yeah we'd have a very hard group up front to block on passing downs.

I’d be fine with him overlapping a few years with AD. Besides. AD moves all over the line.

I’d love to see Turner and Newton inside with AD moving next to Hunter, or Young. The line would be set for years and Donald rushing with Hunter would be deadly on the same side.

 

[oldnotdead]

When we are talking NT then what scheme you play with your base defense is of primary importance. If you are going to play a 2 gap NT you need a Suh type of player. Big tall, strong able to shed blocks. Penetration is not important as a 2 gap NT is a blocker eater allowing penetration by the ILB. If you are talking 1 gap then a smaller quicker, more explosive player is suitable. They had a fine one in Gaines but he left because Morris insists upon playing a 0T NT which he clearly is not. Most teams don't use a two gap NT because they have found that having penetration in the middle of the OL by their 3T and 1T does more to disrupt the offense as it is effective against run or pass. People complain about the lack of pressure by the DL but ignore that is by design by Morris. How the defense is played is of tantamount importance and determines the types of players you need. Morris plays a 2 gap NT with everyone else playing a gap and a half read / react style. That read react by definition slows the DL penetration because they are reading pass or run because then they play it differently. They simply can't tee off and penetrate and disrupt the offense in the backfield be it pass or run.

Rams drafted Bobby Brown to play a 0T NT but he's clearly a one gap type of player. Once engaged he struggles to shed. He doesn't command a double team and doesn't get a lot of push from a 0T alignment. The fact that Morris assumed he could play a 0T NT says a lot about what Morris clearly doesn't know. Top evaluators pre-draft pegged Brown as a 1 gap DT simply by his play in college. Morris simply saw a big body and assumed he could play a 0T which he clearly struggles at doing.

Simply by shifting to a 1 gap penetration style would change this defense enormously. We have seen when they do play 1 gap the front 7 can get penetration. Remember a read / react defends the LOS, a one gap attacks the LOS which is exactly why DCs refer to a one gap as an attacking style of defense. So complaining about lack of penetration by Morris' defensive front ignores the fact that is how Morris chooses to play his DL.

Go ahead and watch how the DL plays especially on early downs. Many times you will see the edges slow or simply stop their penetration to play contain. Now compare that to Wade Phillips how he played Ebukam as the SAM which allowed the strongside JACK to simply rush the passer. Now Young must slow his rush to play contain not only against the run but the swing pass as well. If Morris played with a SAM behind Young then it would unleash Young to penetrate and disrupt the play in the backfield. So why isn't Hampton being coached up to play the role as SAM?

How a DC plays the players he has is every bit as important as what kind of players he has. This defense was built to play a one gap penetration style of front but Morris refuses to play that way because he's too damn scared to. He's holding the DL back the same way as he held the secondary back until Pleasant got them playing aggressively.

Yeah I harp at Morris a lot but the difference Pleasant has made to the secondary proves my point. Morris plays a passive defense which is why the defense doesn't get consistent pressure. It's because that is the way Morris plays his front 7, i.e. it's by design. You can't play 2 gap at NT and gap and a half (collasping the A gaps) and expect quick penetration. People need to understand what Morris is doing and the effect it has and understand it's all by design.

 

[oldnotdead]

PS: This lack of understanding the differences of how defenses are played is why PFF gets it wrong so many times. They downgrade players simply because of what they perceive as a lack of ability, not understanding that is how he is instructed to play.

 

[Merlin]

Btw he reminds me of Beast of X-Men fame:

 

[shovelpass]

Simply by shifting to a 1 gap penetration style would change this defense enormously.

They started playing gap and a half under Staley. They kept it because McVay wanted to. You keep harping on Morris, wrong guy.

They had a fine one in Gaines but he left because Morris insists upon playing a 0T NT which he clearly is not.

Lie and you know it.

Now compare that to Wade Phillips how he played Ebukam as the SAM which allowed the strongside JACK to simply rush the passer. Now Young must slow his rush to play contain not only against the run but the swing pass as well. If Morris played with a SAM behind Young then it would unleash Young to penetrate and disrupt the play in the backfield. So why isn't Hampton being coached up to play the role as SAM?

Wrong. In base formation Ebukam lined outside of the 5T mainly. Young isn't a 5T, neither Hampton or even Mathis. Another made up fact

 

[Kupped]

They started playing gap and a half under Staley. They kept it because McVay wanted to. You keep harping on Morris, wrong guy.


Lie and you know it.


Wrong. In base formation Ebukam lined outside of the 5T mainly. Young isn't a 5T, neither Hampton or even Mathis. Another made up fact

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Thank you.

 

[Angry Ram]

I'm not a heralded scout or anything.

Has he been bouncy enough???

 

[WestCoastRam]

Tongue sandwiches are awesome. I make them like pulled pork. It is so tender that I t melts in your mouth.

I mean... I didn't want to say I'd do something I wouldn't want to do.

 

[WestCoastRam]

They started playing gap and a half under Staley. They kept it because McVay wanted to. You keep harping on Morris, wrong guy.


Lie and you know it.


Wrong. In base formation Ebukam lined outside of the 5T mainly. Young isn't a 5T, neither Hampton or even Mathis. Another made up fact

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You're doing god's work. Don't have an aneuryism

 

[oldnotdead]

Why do you think they call the position the SAM? Because it's played on the strongside. The weakside is played by the WIL(weakside ILB). The WIL is often the coverage ILB whereas the MIKE is your run stuffer type. Morris uses Rozeboom as the WIL.

 

[tempests]

People need to understand what Morris is doing

“He's been the same great coach that I've always known. He's a great leader. He elevates people and situations that he's a part of and I think that's the greatest sign of leadership,” McVay said. “We always talk about trying to help guys reach and realize their highest potential. I think we're seeing a lot of growth and development from a lot of people that he has an influence on.”Raheem influences this whole building. He influences this coaching staff and these players in a real positive manner,” McVay said. “It certainly isn't to take any credit away from the job he's done, but I've seen [a] consistent, great coach this year … That's just who he is and he's as consistent as it gets.”

https://www.si.com/nfl/rams/news/sean-mcvay-praises-los-angeles-rams-raheem-morris-defense

Uh oh, it's almost as if McVay's perspective is radically different than yours. But I'm sure he doesn't know that Morris is a drooling idiot who can't evaluate talent, break down film or get players lined up properly. Or that Aubrey Pleasant should get all the credit.

Looks like you'll have to explain it to him.

 

[shovelpass]

Why do you think they call the position the SAM? Because it's played on the strongside. The weakside is played by the WIL(weakside ILB). The WIL is often the coverage ILB whereas the MIKE is your run stuffer type. Morris uses Rozeboom as the WIL.

Yeah I'm familiar with the names, that's not the issue here. Though I'm curious how you came up with "strongside Jack". Young isn't a down lineman, so you're not going to have a SAM play over him or even next to him in early down formations. Hoecht maybe, but that's not going to change how the OLBs are used. Both have run game responsibilities, both will drop into coverage. Yes Wade didn't do it as often, but had guys like Quinn and Fowler drop into coverage on occasion.

 

[Kupped]

Yeah I'm familiar with the names, that's not the issue here. Though I'm curious how you came up with "strongside Jack". Young isn't a down lineman, so you're not going to have a SAM play over him or even next to him in early down formations. Hoecht maybe, but that's not going to change how the OLBs are used. Both have run game responsibilities, both will drop into coverage. Yes Wade didn't do it as often, but had guys like Quinn and Fowler drop into coverage on occasion.

Yup.. and Quinn didn't enjoy it. At all.

 

[JonRam99]

Yup.. and Quinn didn't enjoy it. At all.

What a mis-use of Robert "the Mighty" Quinn. Still miss that guy on this team. "Gumby" could wreck a game, if used right.

 

[Kupped]

What a mis-use of Robert "the Mighty" Quinn. Still miss that guy on this team. "Gumby" could wreck a game, if used right.

Is it?

Or is it a component meant to not let a QB get comfortable by presenting different looks?

I mean… TJ Watt’s int vs Rams?

 

[JimY53]

Morris plays a 2 gap NT with everyone else playing a gap and a half read / react style.

People need to understand what Morris is doing and the effect it has and understand it's all by design.

Morris does not play 2-gap for the NT and Gap-½ for everyone else. He plays it the same as Fango/Staley and the other
disciples.

Where the NT aligns is based on the call. Rams basically have two 5-man surfaces, a 3-4 base (both OLBers on LOS) and Penny which is a 5-1 (33 Nickel with 5 man surface). Depending on the package the NT can play 1-gap, Gap-½

In the Penny in the NT is a 0-tech and the other 2 DL (call them DEs, DTs, DIs--whatever) along in a 4i ( or with Donald could be a 3-tech).

Where they go is based on the call. In Penny the Nose’s primary responsibility is the A gap to the call (Rip or Liz)--and squeeze opposite A-gap (squeezing the gap next to you is the ½ part of Gap-½. So Rip call NT takes right A-Gap, Liz, left-A-gap. NT is not reading flow and going playside gap as in 2-gap.

In base defense, again depends on the call. The base, the 5-2 or 3-4 whatever you prefer... there are different calls. If it is a TITE call then it's same mechanics as the Penny.

It it is a TUFF call the NT has the A-gap on the opposite, the backside.

1-gap is attack, 2-gap is react and attack, 1-½ is attack then react. You have to know the technique of 2-gap to recognize it, and 1-½ as well. 1-gap is pretty easy.

it gets sticky in gap-½ when call is RIP and the flow of the play is left. The NT went right---so, he's in wrong gap. He Still has to control playside A-gap...

So, how do they do it? They are pros, they are reading blocks and good ones can attack and react fast to the flow (or if it is a pass, they have to rush if it is a pass). Ideally, the call is right and based on down and distance, formation, personnel package (12 or 21), tendencies, and also has to be tied to the coverage and blitzes. You cannot use a call in the front that does not match the rotation of the 2-high safeties and does not match where you want to blitz from.

Another thing to consider is in Fangio's system the NT in 0-tech can have a two-way go based on his choice...and that is when reading blocks is important. He's not reading flow in that case, but reading the block (IZ, OZ, duo?) and taking the right gap.

Now---the NT does NOT only align in 0-tech. He can shade one side or another and does so often--can be a 2i, a 1-tech.

As for Gaines, he was used the same way under Morris as he was with Staley. Same with SJD and now Brown and Turner. The scheme didn't change ... (everyone puts their own tweaks in) but the fronts and coverages are the basically the same. Of course nothing is exactly the same.

In Fangio system---Sam and Will are the outside linebackers ... and Sam is strong, Will is weak (of course, people know that) but it is based on the side of two receivers. Not the TE. You could have a 2x2 with TE one side but the RB then determines strength.

The ILBers - Mike and Jack (E. Jones and Rozenbloom) oddly ARE mostly aligned to and away from TE, with some exceptions. So Mike is to the TE and Jack is away from TE.

In Penny there is only a MIKE. In sub defenses there can be a 4-2-5 and one of the "2" is a safety playing dime linebacker. That's the money backer.

There is so much more that is off on the original post... but I just took the NT part. The paragraph about Ebukam, Hamption and Young really makes no sense.


I attached a Penny front 4i-0-4i I think Donald is cheating it to a 3-tech
with a line call, and a blitz. It's a 0-tech playing 1-gap.

also still of Gaines in 0-tech

but there is so much here---hard to do at once.