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On your point #2: I don't think teams should EVER Draft with the thought of winning a Title that season. Or at least 95% of the time. Drafting is for the longer term club outlook. Trades and Free Agency are for final piece cherry on top acquisitions.

Point #3: If this is the case, then Simpson was ABSOLUTELY the smartest pick they could make.
Rams used the draft for exactly that reason, to plug roster shortfalls with functional starters while their top picks went for traded stars, and did that for years and won a title.

Since the title win they have switched gears and tried to build it more conventionally, but haven't had that much success with the players chosen up top. Verse his rookie season looked like he was going to be elite, but year two looked like he had been dosing his ass off or something as a rook. Dropoff either way. So them going after Garrett, McDuffie etc felt like a bit of a return to the old model to try to win a title with Stafford in his remaining window.

This is why the Simpson pick stood out. It was like they tried to do both. But in the end all that matters with Simpson is that he works his ass off and competes hard and becomes a top QB. If that happens then taking him will be a brilliant decision. Anything less and it will magnify that they could have taken another position who could have helped supplement this roster at one of several positions. There were WRs and DL who could have helped us there.

And thus far I'm happy with Simpson, as I have said numerous times since the end of preseason. He looks like a kid who busted his ass to learn the offense quickly. That's an enormously positive sign. This is why I think McVay is going to want to move forward and continue coaching and working with a young QB who has the talent he wants. I believe that will energize him, as he has grown a great deal as a coach during his tenure with us, and has said he appreciates the connection with the players more now (paraphrasing).
 
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What in the world is he supposed to look around at??? I honestly feel like I’m taking crazy pills. Davante was the only option on the play. It was a one man route. The other 4 eligible receivers stayed in to block. Kyren kind of turned around at the very last minute but he had a safety right over top of him. He was covered.

Look at where Puka, Parkinson, Whit, and Kyren are at when he cocks back to throw. None of them are in a route. Not a single one. They are all bunched in the box between the hashes. None of them are in the endzone. There is no second or third read on this play.View attachment 77482
As pointed out, Kyren shot out free. Why are the Rams the WORST 2-POINT CONVERSION TEAM IN THE LEAGUE????!!!! Is this something guys like McVay and Stafford should own? We will be better at these when we have running threat QB Ty Simpson in there one day relatively soon.
 
As pointed out, Kyren shot out free. Why are the Rams the WORST 2-POINT CONVERSION TEAM IN THE LEAGUE????!!!! Is this something guys like McVay and Stafford should own? We will be better at these when we have running threat QB Ty Simpson in there one day relatively soon.
Lmaoo Kyren did not shoot out free. What is he doing when Stafford is cocking back to throw in the picture? Hes still in the pocket with a safety right over top of him playing outside leverage. You guys don’t know what you are looking at. I’m sorry. It’s a one read max pro play. I guarantee McVay confirms this if he’s asked about it today.
 
I watched the broadcasted game and it may help to know it looked far crappier in person.

Really bad. The worse I can ever remember seeing us play.,

Yup Super Team. :eyeroll:
Even worse in person??!! :wow2: Man, I feel for you.
 
As I said after the Buffalo game, if the Rams found a a way to lose to Arizona it could unravel their whole season.
Cracks are showing the Rams culture which has been a foundation for the last decade.
I suppose we will all know within 3 possession next week in Vegas.
 
What in the world is he supposed to look around at??? I honestly feel like I’m taking crazy pills. Davante was the only option on the play. It was a one man route. The other 4 eligible receivers stayed in to block. Kyren kind of turned around at the very last minute but he had a safety right over top of him. He was covered.

Look at where Puka, Parkinson, Whit, and Kyren are at when he cocks back to throw. None of them are in a route. Not a single one. They are all bunched in the box between the hashes. None of them are in the endzone. There is no second or third read on this play.
I'm truly at a loss as to how you don't see what I see. I'll zoom out to include the defenders you think can easily shed their blocks or reach and stop Kyren, who goes over or plows thru defenders regularly. It is just denial to claim he doesn't have this option. Also, not sure why Staff doesn't just bullet the pylon at least. Either a TD or DPI...
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And thus far I'm happy with Simpson, as I have said numerous times since the end of preseason. He looks like a kid who busted his ass to learn the offense quickly. That's an enormously positive sign. This is why I think McVay is going to want to move forward and continue coaching and working with a young QB who has the talent he wants. I believe that will energize him, as he has grown a great deal as a coach during his tenure with us, and has said he appreciates the connection with the players more now (paraphrasing).
I so hope you're right. I'd love to see McVay have a QB that can escape when things break down (ala Purdy).
 
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Vibes-wise..
This very much is feeling like '22.

Specifically... Sean McVay feels like it's '22.

This year crystiallizes for me one big thing.. McVay needs a balance on staff. It was Phillips and Bones, imo, his early years... Morris the SB year.
He needs someone in the building to be able to give it to him straight, no bullshit, when things are going sideways and when he's getting in his own way, which he clearly is right now.

Shanahan's really not extremely different in that way.. he's a dick when things go wrong.. McVay beats himself up and loses focus.

I don't know if there's a voice out there who can come into the building now.. maybe hire Chris Petersen as a consultant for the rest of the season?

But.. I think that could be the biggest issue right now.. too many people saying "yes" and not enough people saying "no" or.. "is that really a good idea?" in the building.
Shanahan IS different in the sense that he hires competent coaches and lets them do their thing for better or worse. You think he's there telling Raheem how to run his defense? Or Saleh? Or Ryans? McVay needs to take a page out of that book and hire competent coaches he can trust to lead their units so he can focus on the offense.
 
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There are plenty of signs pointing to why this year is an "all in" year for them.. and you don't do that if you don't believe in the QB, first and foremost.
I'm fine with the disagreement. Not like my take on this has been popular at any point with the faithful. It's just my take.

Using a first round pick for a QB is not an "all in" year for giving Stafford everything you can for this short window. There were very good WR options and DL options even some OT options who as rooks could conceivably be felt at some point down the stretch if required, by strengthening our depth.

This felt like a "hey we fixed that problematic secondary issue so the defense should be good" offseason. And don' t get me wrong, I think the moves on defense were sound. McDuffie was a great addition. But this offseason was more strategic than it was all in. What made it look like it was all in was the availability of Garrett.

Speaking of Garrett there is still room for the Rams to get him back and see this defense take that next step. Assuming we're healthy on the back end by then of course. Even with the weak ILB group with Garrett's presence this front is going to feast. Question is whether we're too far back in the standings at that point for it to matter.
 
As I said after the Buffalo game, if the Rams found a a way to lose to Arizona it could unravel their whole season.
Cracks are showing the Rams culture which has been a foundation for the last decade.
I suppose we will all know within 3 possession next week in Vegas.

Good thing their head coach and offensive play caller, Kubiak, doesn’t have any history or success vs the Rams recently
 
I'm truly at a loss as to how you don't see what I see. I'll zoom out to include the defenders you think can easily shed their blocks or reach and stop Kyren, who goes over or plows thru defenders regularly. It is just denial to claim he doesn't have this option. Also, not sure why Staff doesn't just bullet the pylon at least. Either a TD or DPI...
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Kyren doesn’t run an actual route on this play. Watch the replay. He stays into block and at the last minute he kind of turns around and floats along. But he never crosses the 1 yard line. Also watch the safety that’s circled for the entirety of the play. They are in man to man and he’s covering Kyren. He has outside leverage on him and mirrored him the entire play. There is no second read on this play. It’s a one shot deal. And I agree Stafford probably should’ve thrown it up to hope for a flag.

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Williams is a top tier RB and Corum is a very good breather. McVay refuses to lean on them and it's costing us games. Hopefully, it won't cost us players.
I think Williams said he got 13 touches?
Right when the man is starting to get into mid-season form you give him 13 touches? I don't get it
Tutu's snaps were increasing and he was increasingly showing how helpful he could be in this offense and what does McVay do? Makes him a healthy scratch to keep Whittington, (2 catches for 12 yards) ?
And his kick returning is below the current NFL season average.
Just a few things I don't understand about the play calling and personnel in this game.
 
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Speaking of Garrett there is still room for the Rams to get him back and see this defense take that next step. Assuming we're healthy on the back end by then of course. Even with the weak ILB group with Garrett's presence this front is going to feast. Question is whether we're too far back in the standings at that point for it to matter.
I know I'm optimistic to a fault, but I'm with you on this. I'm going to leave room for the other teams beating each other and we play like we're capable. We ain't winning the west, but we can sneak into the dance, where anything can happen.
 
Good thing their head coach and offensive play caller, Kubiak, doesn’t have any history or success vs the Rams recently
Yeah, and they are playing very hard.
The D is flying all over and playing hard, despite not having a ton of talent.
If the pass rush cant get Cousins off his spot he will likely shred the pass D.
 
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Yeah, and they are playing very hard.
The D is flying all over and playing hard, despite not having a ton of talent.
If the pass rush cant get Cousins off his spot he will likely shred the pass D.

Cousins will absolutely shred this defense, and dink/dunk his way down the field for an 85% plus completion percentage if Shula allows him with his normal game plan
 
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I know I'm optimistic to a fault, but I'm with you on this. I'm going to leave room for the other teams beating each other and we play like we're capable. We ain't winning the west, but we can sneak into the dance, where anything can happen.
Right on. I am still hopeful as well. Depressed and angry of course too. But I would love nothing more than to be wrong.

Thing is when you have an old QB with hard miles who has developed a penchant to lock on to one target in order to look him open, and you're losing games, and you're not playing great ball up front with your protections, playing the kid becomes more and more likely as you go forward.

So as I said weeks ago, Stafford needs to play at a high level and get this team back in it. Or that's a wrap. And I think he's running out of time. But if the defense can return to greatness... Yes that can get us where we need to be.
 
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Lmaoo Kyren did not shoot out free. What is he doing when Stafford is cocking back to throw in the picture? Hes still in the pocket with a safety right over top of him playing outside leverage. You guys don’t know what you are looking at. I’m sorry. It’s a one read max pro play. I guarantee McVay confirms this if he’s asked about it today.
So what does a quarterback do if that one read is covered on a one-read play? Freeze and get stripped sacked like Stafford did? That's a really good play, McVay and Stafford.....(thumbs up) perfect execution, should have went for-2 points,.
 
I think Williams said he got 13 touches?
Right when the man is starting to get into mid-season form you give him 13 touches? I don't get it
Tutu's snaps were increasing and he was increasingly showing how helpful he could be in this offense and what does McVay do? Makes him a healthy scratch to keep Whittington, (2 catches for 12 yards) ?
And his kick returning is below the current NFL season average.
Just a few things I don't understand about the play calling and personnel in this game.
Yeah, that single move is also the clear tell for a 13 personal game.
After a couple of possession go to mostly 12 personal already. Can run still and get both WRs on the field to present that challenge.
The Cardinals blitzed a lot and Rams couldn't make them pay....one of the reasons, in 13 it ends up being a 4 yard check down to a TE.
The 4th and 1 run with Allen is a classic McVay being too clever for his own good.
You have an excellent short yardage runner in Kyren and a guy who is great at creating yards with contact in Puka. At least run that with Puka....not a 6' 6" TE that immediately has no leverage on contact.
Going to a second screen on 4th and 8 was bizarre and a scared play call to me.
The Rams are beyond cursed with the special teams. More bad coverage leads to your now midget kicker getting hurt. With an extra point and at least one and maybe two FG attempts taken off the board because of having no kicker.....well.....its just beyond words.
 
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