Quick didnt drop the that was just good defense

[OnceARam]

just trying to clarify some say he dropped the long pass the defender got his hand in and knocked the ball away as it was hitting his hands.

He misjudged that ball. He slowed down, then tried to speed up and catch it, then did not make the play. So basically; he did NOT make the play. That may not count as a drop but the end result is the same.

He's not a playmaker. Listen to guys like Dion or Michael Irvin talk about playmakers. It's in their DNA. Quick, for all his natural talent, does not posses the playmaker DNA strand. Unfortunately.

 

[OnceARam]

I've seen them miss catches like that too. It happens. I've also seen them make catches like that. And that's where the difference lies. Examples?

(Dez Bryant's catch is #1)

I have nothing against Quick. I am sorry if my expectations are too high but with Quick's talent and size, I expect him to be the type of guy that will make some of these ridiculous catches. So yes, I am disappointed that he didn't come up with the ball.

It was Clemens's fault. But he's a poor deep ball thrower. That's one of the issues you have with him. He could have hit Quick in stride, that all said, it was still a catchable ball. Very difficult catch but one I hope Quick is capable of making.

Nice post jrry. I'm going to defend Clemens for a second here.... That was a good ball to Quick. Quick misjudged it, slowed down and then wasn't in position to make the play. Those receivers that you highlighted - make that catch.

Then again maybe the sample size is too small on Quick... it's frustrating.

 

[moklerman]

The sample size is small with Quick because he doesn't warrant the QB's faith. Whether Bradford or Clemens, the ball usually doesn't get caught when it gets thrown to Quick. Compare that to Bailey. It's taken him forever to slowly get worked into the offense but when he's had his chances he's capitalized on them. Makes a catch then makes a play after the catch. As it stands, we all have to get excited if Quick even catches the dang ball.

 

[Ramhusker]

I think Quick has two games to convince the Rams not to draft a WR fairly high in 2014. He's definitely on the clock already.

 

[CoachO]

in response to some of you, who are trying to say that "these other guys" make these plays..... you seem to infer that they "make this catch" all the time. And discount the catches that Quick HAS actually made that not one other WR on our roster is capable of making.

He has made those tough catches, and has shown the ability to "high point" the ball in the RedZone, for TDs.

That guys like Fitzgerald, C. Johnson, Green, and more recently, Jeffrey "make these types" of catches, to me anyway, is more indicative of the pure number of opportunities they get in their role on their respective teams. You point out the obvious on ONE PARTICULAR PLAY. Wreaks of cherry picking to me.

I was at the game again yesterday, and there were plenty of occasions where Quick came open, especially when running the"dig" route, only to have Clemens throw it somewhere else. They continue to try to run the slant with Givens, who wants NO part of it. While Quick excels at that route. So, for me, this isn't as much about Quick's lack of development, as it is lack of opportunity.

Even in what proved to be a dominant win, Clemens completed FOURTEEN passes yesterday, half of which were to RBs or TEs. Since Clemens has taken over the offense, they just are not throwing the ball to the WRs enough to evaluate. The long pass to Quick was to ONLY attempt the entire day to go downfield.

Again, I just don't get the hate for a guy who has shown steady improvement in his game all year. That it doesn't show up on the stat sheet in not on him.

 

[dieterbrock]

Big time receivers make the big time plays. Quick didnt. Heck, he should have tried to sell the PI at least.

 

[CoachO]

Big time receivers make the big time plays. Quick didnt. Heck, he should have tried to sell the PI at least.

on that ONE PLAY.... so you are saying that every other "big time receiver" makes THAT play every time?

Or just the times you get to see when you watch SportsCenter?

 

[dieterbrock]

on that ONE PLAY.... so you are saying that every other "big time receiver" makes THAT play every time?

Or just the times you get to see when you watch SportsCenter?

They certainly make the play more than "He of only 27 career catches" does
His drops stand out more than his big plays

 

[CoachO]

They certainly make the play more than "He of only 27 career catches" does
His drops stand out more than his big plays

stands out to whom? YOU? 27 catches or not,, as I said, that's not entirely on HIM. He has to be thrown to more than once or twice a game if he is to have MORE catches. EVERY WR DROPS passes. But when CERTAIN fans seem to expect 1st year players to come in and perform at unrealistic levels, then of course they "stand out".

Brandon Gibson, Lance Kendricks, were scorched in these message boards for drops. All it got Gibson was a sweet FA contract. And Kendricks is now one of the most reliable pass catchers on this team.

Once again, its more about opportunity than anything else for me. Even the "GREAT" CALVIN JOHNSON drops plenty of passes. but when you get targeted 12-15 times a game, no one harps on those. Terrell Owens will be in the HOF soon, and no one dropped more balls on a regular basis than he did.

So, instead of cherry picking passes to prove your dislike for a player who for all intents and purposes is still is learning the Pro game, maybe you could see what apparently the caching staff sees as a player who is continuing to develop, at the pace THEY seem to be fine with.

 

[dieterbrock]

stands out to whom? YOU? 27 catches or not,, as I said, that's not entirely on HIM. He has to be thrown to more than once or twice a game if he is to have MORE catches. EVERY WR DROPS passes. But when CERTAIN fans seem to expect 1st year players to come in and perform at unrealistic levels, then of course they "stand out".

Brandon Gibson, Lance Kendricks, were scorched in these message boards for drops. All it got Gibson was a sweet FA contract. And Kendricks is now one of the most reliable pass catchers on this team.

Once again, its more about opportunity than anything else for me. Even the "GREAT" CALVIN JOHNSON drops plenty of passes. but when you get targeted 12-15 times a game, no one harps on those. Terrell Owens will be in the HOF soon, and no one dropped more balls on a regular basis than he did.

So, instead of cherry picking passes to prove your dislike for a player who for all intents and purposes is still is learning the Pro game, maybe you could see what apparently the caching staff sees as a player who is continuing to develop, at the pace THEY seem to be fine with.

Prove my dislike for a player?
Cherry picking?

Get a grip man. The guy has had no bigger supporter than me. But the reality is that he doesnt make the big plays. And 27 catches in 2 years is not going to keep him in the league long.

He could have made a better play on that ball. Period.

 

[V3]

A good WR could have caught that ball. It hit his hands and Quick is supposed to be bigger and stronger. The excuses for Quick are getting old.

 

[RamFan503]

He didn't drop the ball. It was a good play on defense. Both statements are true but the fact is that he could and should have made a better play on that particular ball. Still, I think Quick has improved and will continue to do so. As fast as we all would have liked? No.

But I have to say - Coach is right in that I watch Quick run a route and Clemens doesn't even PRETEND to look his way. It absolutely has to be frustrating if you are Quick. When you do get open, the QB is not even paying any attention to you. Then, you are not even really open and you are expected to play like you get targeted all the time. Maybe you put that on Quick and the rapport he has or has not built with the QB. I dunno. But I have seen him make difficult catches and I can guarantee you that if you watch some games like the AZ game, you will see him get open and watch Clemens COMPLETELY ignore him. And I mean COMPLETELY ignore. Watch as Quick goes sprinting down the left side with about 10 feet of separation and KC follows two receivers on the right. He doesn't even turn like he wants to see him.

It's not really a mystery if you watch the plays. We average about 17 completions a game with KC in there. Our TEs take most of those receptions. Put two or three of those catches in the RBs hands, and you are left with about 8 total passes to WRs. If you are running down the sideline and your QB is not even looking in your direction, after you have played the most snaps (IIRR) of any receiver on the field, how much work do you get in on your ball skills? He's been more of a blocker than a receiver. I don't know that I put this all on Quick. In fact, I would suggest that other teams WOULD have made him more of the offense.

 

[F. Mulder]

They continue to try to run the slant with Givens, who wants NO part of it. While Quick excels at that route. So, for me, this isn't as much about Quick's lack of development, as it is lack of opportunity.

Boy Coach I can't agree more with this part. They continue to run that slant to Givens and he either tips the route off because the DBs sure seem to know it's coming, AND Givens wants no part of it. Quick, Pettis, Bailey are far better running that than Givens.

I'm on the fence regarding Quick. He'll get next year but I think he needs to become this teams top 3 WR or they'll let him go for someone they feel can fill the role more immediately.

 

[rickrawk]

It was a good defensive play, but some people just need to rag on the Rams about something.
By the way... the Rams won!!

GO RAMS!!!!

 

[V3]

He didn't drop the ball. It was a good play on defense. Both statements are true but the fact is that he could and should have made a better play on that particular ball. Still, I think Quick has improved and will continue to do so. As fast as we all would have liked? No.

But I have to say - Coach is right in that I watch Quick run a route and Clemens doesn't even PRETEND to look his way. It absolutely has to be frustrating if you are Quick. When you do get open, the QB is not even paying any attention to you. Then, you are not even really open and you are expected to play like you get targeted all the time. Maybe you put that on Quick and the rapport he has or has not built with the QB. I dunno. But I have seen him make difficult catches and I can guarantee you that if you watch some games like the AZ game, you will see him get open and watch Clemens COMPLETELY ignore him. And I mean COMPLETELY ignore. Watch as Quick goes sprinting down the left side with about 10 feet of separation and KC follows two receivers on the right. He doesn't even turn like he wants to see him.

It's not really a mystery if you watch the plays. We average about 17 completions a game with KC in there. Our TEs take most of those receptions. Put two or three of those catches in the RBs hands, and you are left with about 8 total passes to WRs. If you are running down the sideline and your QB is not even looking in your direction, after you have played the most snaps (IIRR) of any receiver on the field, how much work do you get in on your ball skills? He's been more of a blocker than a receiver. I don't know that I put this all on Quick. In fact, I would suggest that other teams WOULD have made him more of the offense.

Why do you think that is? Most likely because he hasn't shown anything in previous games or practices to warrant the QB's faith that he'll catch the ball or even be open. If you want a QB to throw your way, the QB needs to believe you're going to do what you're supposed to.

The one thing I will agree on with CoachO is that I'd rather Quick be running the slants than Givens.

 

[blackbart]

I don't think he ever touched that ball the db knocked it away. Could he have made a better effort maybe.

Going in to this game Quick had 2 drops if you can remember those more than you do his 2 TDs maybe you are just looking for mistakes????

 

[CoachO]

Why do you think that is? Most likely because he hasn't shown anything in previous games or practices to warrant the QB's faith that he'll catch the ball or even be open. If you want a QB to throw your way, the QB needs to believe you're going to do what you're supposed to.

The one thing I will agree on with CoachO is that I'd rather Quick be running the slants than Givens.

What it tells me, is you have a QB, while experienced in THIS system, and who has been in the league for 8 years, knows his limitations, and RARELY throws the ball to the second option. For all of the Bradford detractors about being a "check down" specialist, its curious to me, that the same things aren't said about Clemens.

When the majority of the routes that Clemens throws are half rollouts looking to get the ball the TE on a drag route, or in the flat, he just rarely looks downfield unless they are in a 3rd and long situation.

The routes that Quick are primarily intermediate routes. Be it sideline "fade" routes or the 15-18 dig (crossing) routes. Clemens is very conscious (being coached maybe) to get the ball out quickly. Which means, Quick is being used as a clear out for the underneath stuff. Sound familiar?

In the past 5 games, they have avg exactly 13.6 completions. As was stated, when more than half are going to TEs or RBs, what expectations does one have for ANY WR to put up numbers? And as also was stated, Quick has TWO drops his season. Not anywhere close to leading the team in that category.

 

[duckhunter]

Must be some sort of conspiracy. The QBs and coaches are denying Quick the ball. They've been denying him playing time also. Everyone knows what a great blocker he is.

 

[lockdnram21]

His only drops came in the panthers game. Besides that game and when he got hit in the back he's made a play whenever his numbers been called. Like. Coach said I've seen plenty times when he's wide open but Clemens doesn't even look to his side of the field. I think if Bradford was on the field he would have a bigger impact

 

[mr.stlouis]

OK, being this got bumped I'll hit on it again. The play where the ball hit Quick's finger tips with a defender draped over his arms (nicely worded, right?) is comparable to many baseball plays I've seen. Let's say the batter smashes a line drive to the out fielder who slightly misplays it sails over his head. Obviously it's not ruled an error but a better outfielder catches that ball more times than not. Quick doesn't catch that ball more times than not be because he's not the guy we'd hoped he'd be. He's a big body with inconsistent hands. He makes catches and he drops them, too. I'm not giving up on him but can we call a spade a spade, please? He hasn't got it done and I want someone who is more than a skill position player on the outside. In other words, we need at least one WR who has a complete game. I think Watkins fits the mold best out of this draft class. Not to mention I don't think Quick is all that football savy. His play recognition is very poor at this point and honestly that bothers me more than his hands.

To be fair, I also think Givens's game lacks in similiar ways to Quicks's. He stinks in traffic...