Nuss Said

[Ram Ts]

After yesterday's games, and through 3/4 of the Va Tech/SC game, I can say this much.....

Allar and Nussmeier impressed (1 and 1A), Manning and Sellers laid eggs (4 and 5), Klubnik is #3....IMHO

Of course that can all change next week.

Not sure I’d say Sellers has laid an egg. Great deep TD throw just now. The guy is 20 - youngest of the bunch. It’s about projection. What are these guys gonna be in 1-3 years from now and some time under McVay/etc tutelage. Who has weaknesses that McVay feels he can fix; while having the most enticing talent (that can’t be taught).

 

[den-the-coach]

I think that's a bad example.

Believe there was a coaching change from 2018 (the year Rosen was drafted) to 2019 when the Cardinals had the 1st overall pick, hired Kliff Kingsbury and selected Kyler Murray.

Bill Munson/Roman Gabriel, Terry Hanratty/Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman/Steve Walsh

 

[PARAM]

Not sure I’d say Sellers has laid an egg. Great deep TD throw just now. The guy is 20 - youngest of the bunch. It’s about projection. What are these guys gonna be in 1-3 years from now and some time under McVay/etc tutelage. Who has weaknesses that McVay feels he can fix; while having the most enticing talent (that can’t be taught).

I watched the entire game. That was the ONE good throw he had. He had some nice runs at the end to run out the clock but 1 good throw? Gonna have to do much better than that.

Laid an egg is a little much maybe. They won. So I'll edit that to very unimpressive.

 

[LA_Rams_#29]

Sel

After yesterday's games, and through 3/4 of the Va Tech/SC game, I can say this much.....

Allar and Nussmeier impressed (1 and 1A), Manning and Sellers laid eggs (4 and 5), Klubnik is #3....IMHO

Of course that can all change next week.

Sellers wasn't even close to laying an egg...

12/19 209yds

rushing td where he trucked a guy at the goal line..

his rushing yds on the game were low because he was sacked, but his highlights from the game were electric..

he's Lamar with McNair's arm...

 

[Allen2McVay]

Bill Munson/Roman Gabriel, Terry Hanratty/Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman/Steve Walsh

Fine examples ... especially Hanratty/Bradshaw in that Hanratty was a high #2 (like Shough); and Bradshaw was drafted the very next season (consistent with your Nussmeier thought).

Still, those examples are over 60 years old, over 50 years old and over 35 years old ... all old ... like @Loyal.

Also, three of the four examples you put out there (including Kyler Murray) were first overall picks.
I agree that if the Saints have the 1st overall pick in 2026, they are likely to take a Quarterback ... just about any team is likely to do so.

I'm not saying it can't happen (QBs selected very high in consecutive drafts ... Gabriel/Munson were not).
Just saying it doesn't happen very often; and when it has happened, the team usually had the 1st overall selection in that 2nd year.

Maybe the Saints draft Nussmeier. The 2026 QB class could make the First Round very interesting.
Hell, that's why I am watching college football for the first time in 20 years ... despite the shitty coverage.

 

[HitStick]

Sel

Sellers wasn't even close to laying an egg...

12/19 209yds

rushing td where he trucked a guy at the goal line..

his rushing yds on the game were low because he was sacked, but his highlights from the game were electric..

he's Lamar with McNair's arm...

Slow down there

 

[Memento]

Sel

Sellers wasn't even close to laying an egg...

12/19 209yds

rushing td where he trucked a guy at the goal line..

his rushing yds on the game were low because he was sacked, but his highlights from the game were electric..

he's Lamar with McNair's arm...

Needs to work on the intermediate game; that's where he was missing. But then again, he had interior pressure in his face all game, and still made some nice throws (if his wide receiver, Harbor, holds on to the football with both hands as he should've instead of assing it one-handed and stepping out of bounds, it's another passing touchdown) all game. The box score doesn't tell you everything.

If we needed defensive linemen (not edge rushers, D-linemen), Virginia Tech made some great plays in the interior. Bullied South Carolina's interior all game long. 94 (Elhadj Fall) got a huge sack/forced fumble on Sellers after blowing up the left guard, 22 (Kelvin Gilliam Jr.) and 99 (Emmett Laws) got a safety after blowing up South Carolina's interior. Very disciplined and well-coached unit.

Overall, I thought Sellers did a good job. He needs more pocket awareness (and part of that is because of his youth), but the fade pass to Harbor that Harbor half-assed showed remarkable touch.

EDIT: Only in the first half rewatching. Going into the second half.

 

[den-the-coach]

Fine examples ... especially Hanratty/Bradshaw in that Hanratty was a high #2 (like Shough); and Bradshaw was drafted the very next season (consistent with your Nussmeier thought).

Still, those examples are over 60 years old, over 50 years old and over 35 years old ... all old ... like @Loyal.

Also, three of the four examples you put out there (including Kyler Murray) were first overall picks.
I agree that if the Saints have the 1st overall pick in 2026, they are likely to take a Quarterback ... just about any team is likely to do so.

I'm not saying it can't happen (QBs selected very high in consecutive drafts ... Gabriel/Munson were not).
Just saying it doesn't happen very often; and when it has happened, the team usually had the 1st overall selection in that 2nd year.

Maybe the Saints draft Nussmeier. The 2026 QB class could make the First Round very interesting.
Hell, that's why I am watching college football for the first time in 20 years ... despite the shitty coverage.

One more Roman Gabriel/Terry Baker.

 

[dieterbrock]

Bill Munson/Roman Gabriel, Terry Hanratty/Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman/Steve Walsh

Walsh and Aikman were both drafted in the same year

 

[den-the-coach]

Walsh and Aikman were both drafted in the same year

Correct Walsh was taken in the supplemental draft

 

[Ram Ts]

Is Carson Beck still a viable QB option if he takes a step up or two? He’s got prototypical size for a drop back QB. Not sure if he’s worth the effort to watch or not.

 

[Memento]

Needs to work on the intermediate game; that's where he was missing. But then again, he had interior pressure in his face all game, and still made some nice throws (if his wide receiver, Harbor, holds on to the football with both hands as he should've instead of assing it one-handed and stepping out of bounds, it's another passing touchdown) all game. The box score doesn't tell you everything.

If we needed defensive linemen (not edge rushers, D-linemen), Virginia Tech made some great plays in the interior. Bullied South Carolina's interior all game long. 94 (Elhadj Fall) got a huge sack/forced fumble on Sellers after blowing up the left guard, 22 (Kelvin Gilliam Jr.) and 99 (Emmett Laws) got a safety after blowing up South Carolina's interior. Very disciplined and well-coached unit.

Overall, I thought Sellers did a good job. He needs more pocket awareness (and part of that is because of his youth), but the fade pass to Harbor that Harbor half-assed showed remarkable touch.

EDIT: Only in the first half rewatching. Going into the second half.

Second half. South Carolina's left tackle and left guard could get work as a matador if football doesn't work out; 33 (Ben Bell) utterly ran by the left tackle on a stunt. Wasn't even a good stunt, Bell and 13 (Kemari Copeland) just blew right by them. Sellers needs to learn to throw that away, but he had pressure in his face the whole time. Has to throw that away and live to fight another down.

Before that, though. Absolute laser through traffic on a slant route to #6 (Donovan Murph). Fit it right through a window. Elite arm, along with the deep ball to Harbor. Not impressed by Harbor, I'm sorry. Listed at 6'5", 235 lbs., elite track speed, but that drop on the non-touchdown just galls me. Only bad thing was that Murph had to stop. Sellers didn't lead Murph enough; if he hadn't stopped to catch the ball, that's a potential house call. Sellers definitely has the potential to do it, but the intermediate routes are what our receivers' bread, butter, and jam are. If we want Sellers, he's going to have to learn to do these things better, fit our system better.

And the finishing scramble is just physical talent you absolutely can't teach. That's prime-Cam Newton athleticism right there.

 

[Memento]

Is Carson Beck still a viable QB option if he takes a step up or two? He’s got prototypical size for a drop back QB. Not sure if he’s worth the effort to watch or not.

Based on his tape from Georgia? No. Absolutely not. But maybe it's different at Miami. Feel free to watch. I'm not gonna waste my time with him; he burned me before.

 

[Memento]

Overall, Sellers had a decent game. He should've had two passing touchdowns; Nyck Harbor dropping that pass by trying to one-hand it was inexcusable. I don't care about the defender's arm; there's no reason not to catch that ball with two hands when he has the ability. Had some good throws short and long; the fade to Harbor that should've been the first passing touchdown was a thing of beauty. Put it right where he needed it. He's capable of throwing with touch; I just want to see more of it.

The Virginia Tech front might've made the O-line look worse than it normally is, but the left tackle and left guard were getting caved constantly, and Sellers has to learn to throw the damned ball away, live to fight another down. Part of that might be his youth, but he needs to learn it because hero ball won't work in the NFL, even with a kid with his gifts.

As a runner, though? Off-schedule, designed, doesn't matter. He has the ability to shrug off arm tackles and sacks like I haven't seen in a long time. Might be Ben Roethlisberger-like in that regard. That fourth quarter rush was a thing of beauty; broke two potential sacks and scrambled for the first down while eluding another tackle. Just beautiful off-schedule, and it shows a tantalizing taste of what he's truly capable of.

Add in the elite arm strength and ability to fit it in a window, and I really do get why there's Steve McNair vibes from him. He desperately needs to work on his intermediate game, though. That's where he struggled all game long.

 

[PARAM]

Sel

Sellers wasn't even close to laying an egg...

12/19 209yds

rushing td where he trucked a guy at the goal line..

his rushing yds on the game were low because he was sacked, but his highlights from the game were electric..

he's Lamar with McNair's arm...

I revised it. I said very unimpressive.

On the first drive he went 3 for 3 for 54 yards. On his second to last drive he was 1 for 1 for 64 yards; a TD. The rest of the game? Very unimpressive. 8 of 15 for 91 yards.....that's 6.06 yards/ att. Unimpressive. Kid needs A LOT of work.

 

[Memento]

I revised it. I said very unimpressive.

On the first drive he went 3 for 3 for 54 yards. On his second to last drive he was 1 for 1 for 64 yards; a TD. The rest of the game? Very unimpressive. 8 of 15 for 91 yards.....that's 6.06 yards/ att. Unimpressive. Kid needs A LOT of work.

That he does. Offensive line didn't help him one bit; left tackle and especially the left guard kept getting caved in. Should've had a touchdown on that endzone fade to Harbor; if Harbor doesn't hotdog it, it's six.

Sellers was decent. He showed a bit why he's regarded as a top prospect, but he needs to work on his overall quarterbacking. I just worry about SEC play for him; if his offensive line is struggling this much already, I dread to think how they'll play against lines like Georgia, Alabama, Florida, and others.