McShay Mocks Us Ty Simpson At 13

[RamFan503]

So any thoughts on the apparent increased speculation it seems, that the Rams could be interested in JJ McCarthy? Maybe part of a pick swap and other considerations?

He seems fragile, and how good is he? I remember him looking good in the opener in Chicago after sitting out his rookie year. He then won his last 4 starts last year. So at least he showed some flashes.

He might be a lottery ticket? Maybe swap firsts and they throw in a mid round pick? Interesting.

Where is the increased speculation coming from? I am asking because I have only seen a couple people bring it up but nothing more.

 

[den-the-coach]

Where is the increased speculation coming from? I am asking because I have only seen a couple people bring it up but nothing more.

It’s because McShay Rhymes with McVay.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

I guess the plus is that you don't have to burn a 1st rd pick on a young QB, even if you swap firsts, you still have a top 20 pick. Plus, he has experience in a similar system. Probably would have a better OL if forced to play this year due to injury.

I was going to point out the 5th yr option decision. If he was smart, he would work out a contract at that time that kept him here while he proves himself.

I think it makes some sense if the compensation is minor. A cheap dart throw for a guy who was a first rd pick just two yrs ago.

Oh, ESPECIALLY if a Contract is worked out that irons out the 5th year option. But McCarthy has shown little, while being a bit of an injury case. And also, "Diet McVay" is over there in Minny. What does it say about J.J. if O 'Connell is forsaking him for a shaky, shrimpy, Kyler Murray???

 

[PhillyRam]

Where is the increased speculation coming from? I am asking because I have only seen a couple people bring it up but nothing more.

Just some Rams websites/podcasters etc. So not too serious. More speculation. Bill Barnwell of ESPN and a Fox Sports guy also brought it up.

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[RamFan503]

Just some Rams websites/podcasters etc. So not too serious. More speculation. Bill Barnwell of ESPN and a Fox Sports guy also brought it up.

Rams land potential Matthew Stafford replacement in hypothetical trade

The Los Angeles Rams might need to dip into the trade market if they want to find their Matthew Stafford successor before the 2026 season.

theramswire.usatoday.com

Rams Bold Trade Idea Lands Team Former National Champion

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heavy.com

Appreciate it.

I really hope the Rams aren't considering JJ. I just really don't see even a mediocre starting QB there.

 

[Wisconsinram]

You think Dante Moore (Oregon), D.J. Lagway (Florida), LaNorris Sellers (South Carolina), C.J. Carr (Notre Dame), Dylan Raiola (Oregon. It's unlikely he jumps into this class along with Moore, but more surprising things have happened), Jayden Maiava (Southern Cal), Julian Sayin (Ohio State), Brendan Sorsby (Texas Tech), John Mateer (Oklahoma), Trinidad Chambliss (Ole Miss), Sam Leavitt (Louisiana State), Darian Mensah (Miami), and Drew Mestemaker (Oklahoma State) - plus Arch, of course - isn't a good class of quarterbacks?

It's a lot deeper than this class; Mensah, Chambliss, Maiava, Sorsby, and Mateer were getting high round buzz for this draft (Sorsby and Chambliss had first-round buzz, in particular) before they went back to college.

That's not even accounting for a quarterback coming out of nowhere like Simpson did. Either way, 2027 is going to be a much stronger quarterback class than 2026.

I'm going to chime in here because it's this kind of discussion that causes me to check-in multiple times daily!

I honestly agree with both of you in an odd way. We all have our own personal opinions and what we value. Of those Mem mentioned, Moore is clearly a better prospect than Simpson. And I personally think Sorsby is going to play in the league a long, long time.

I have no doubt next year's draft will be rich in qb prospects. But to CR's point, we thought this year was going to be fairly rich as well at the same time of the year. A few of those guys on Mem's list are going to pull an Allar and drop out of first round contention. History suggests QB's taken after the first don't pan out (an exception every year or so notwithstanding, though many are drafted). The league knows.

While many of those on Mem's list have physical traits that clearly outperform Ty's, those same dudes have considerable flaws. IMO, Ty just doesn't have the same level of those flaws. I've been wrong many times (thought Lamar would bust, for example), but IMO, Ty has the qualities that suggest he'll be play in the league for a long time. The next Stafford? Highly, highly unlikely. Worthy of the 13th, doubtful but I'll trust McSnead. But until we actually see the prospects listed play next year, when strengths and warts become more clear, I think we should reserve judgement on the notion it's going to be the next '83 class of qb's (not that anyone has said that, but there is certainly a lot of hype about the class).

I'd like Ty. Only at 13 if that's the value my trusted F.O. place on him. To my eyes, mid-20's is his ceiling. But I do think he makes it. Hell, on the WR side, the same traits I value (and I think McSnead do as well) is why I am quietly hoping we take Cooper at 13. The kid is just going to make it (no one knows to what heights). Five years from now, no one is going to give a crap if he was taken 7 picks too early according to prognosticators.

 

[Fire Ants]

I may have to eat crow for this but here goes:

Do you guys seriously think that Simpson would be better than Bennett in the coming year if Stafford would go down?...because I don't.

 

[WestCoastRam]

I'd put some money on the Bucs myself. Probably some fantastic odds too.

why bucs?

 

[WestCoastRam]

I may have to eat crow for this but here goes:

Do you guys seriously think that Simpson would be better than Bennett in the coming year if Stafford would go down?...because I don't.

ABSOLUTELY YES

 

[den-the-coach]

I may have to eat crow for this but here goes:

Do you guys seriously think that Simpson would be better than Bennett in the coming year if Stafford would go down?...because I don't.

I have no confidence in Bennett whatsoever unless it’s a preseason game and even then, he’s been mediocre at best.

So yes I believe that Simpson would be better.

 

[Dodgersrf]

Not going to be an elite quarterback. That's my reasoning.

The fact that we're arguing about him at #13 shows that the Draft cannot come here soon enough.

Please elaborate.

 

[TheTackle]

I may have to eat crow for this but here goes:

Do you guys seriously think that Simpson would be better than Bennett in the coming year if Stafford would go down?...because I don't.

Have you watched them both play?


It’s not even close!

 

[TheTackle]

I'm going to chime in here because it's this kind of discussion that causes me to check-in multiple times daily!

I honestly agree with both of you in an odd way. We all have our own personal opinions and what we value. Of those Mem mentioned, Moore is clearly a better prospect than Simpson. And I personally think Sorsby is going to play in the league a long, long time.

I have no doubt next year's draft will be rich in qb prospects. But to CR's point, we thought this year was going to be fairly rich as well at the same time of the year. A few of those guys on Mem's list are going to pull an Allar and drop out of first round contention. History suggests QB's taken after the first don't pan out (an exception every year or so notwithstanding, though many are drafted). The league knows.

While many of those on Mem's list have physical traits that clearly outperform Ty's, those same dudes have considerable flaws. IMO, Ty just doesn't have the same level of those flaws. I've been wrong many times (thought Lamar would bust, for example), but IMO, Ty has the qualities that suggest he'll be play in the league for a long time. The next Stafford? Highly, highly unlikely. Worthy of the 13th, doubtful but I'll trust McSnead. But until we actually see the prospects listed play next year, when strengths and warts become more clear, I think we should reserve judgement on the notion it's going to be the next '83 class of qb's (not that anyone has said that, but there is certainly a lot of hype about the class).

I'd like Ty. Only at 13 if that's the value my trusted F.O. place on him. To my eyes, mid-20's is his ceiling. But I do think he makes it. Hell, on the WR side, the same traits I value (and I think McSnead do as well) is why I am quietly hoping we take Cooper at 13. The kid is just going to make it (no one knows to what heights). Five years from now, no one is going to give a crap if he was taken 7 picks too early according to prognosticators.

Great post. Welcome to the club!

I have to pick you up on one thing. Ty Simpson outplayed every single QB on that list until he was injured; lost weight after getting sick on the medicine; and still won a big playoff game playing well below his best (at under 200). He was outplaying Mendoza and looking like the best player in college football

In short, why is everyone so sure that there will be a better QB for our scheme next year, when he could be right in front of our faces? Where will we be drafting next year? I doubt very much it will be pick 13

QB is by far the biggest impact position and way more important than adding a WR to a room containing two possible hall of famers who are playing at that level. Just my opinion

 

[Coliseum Ram]

Great post. Welcome to the club!

I have to pick you up on one thing. Ty Simpson outplayed every single QB on that list until he was injured; lost weight after getting sick on the medicine; and still won a big playoff game playing well below im his best. He was outplaying Mendoza and looking like the best player in college football

In short, why is everyone so sure that there will be a better QB for our scheme next year, when he could right in front of our faces? Where will we be drafting next year? I doubt very much it will be pick 13

QB is by far the biggest impact position and way more important than adding a WR to a room containing two possible hall of famers who are playing at that level. Just my opinion

Great points Tackle. If Simpson can do for McVay what Purdy does for Shanahan (or BETTER) he's a great pick for us. Point-guard style Quarterback, who's best tool but not his ONLY tool is his brain.

Like I've said in earlier posts, I have no problem if as we are sitting there watching the draft on draft night and at 13 we take Ty Simpson, as all the receivers being rumored are not outright studs but leave things to be desired on the table. Having said all that I would be elated if we got Lemon as well.

 

[TheTackle]

Great points Tackle. If Simpson can do for McVay what Purdy does for Shanahan (or BETTER) he's a great pick for us. Point-guard style Quarterback, who's best tool but not his ONLY tool is his brain.

Like I've said in earlier posts, I have no problem if as we are sitting there watching the draft on draft night and at 13 we take Ty Simpson, as all the receivers being rumored are not outright studs but leave things to be desired on the table. Having said all that I would be elated if we got Lemon as well.

Nice point

I used to mock us trading back but now take BPA at 13 and trade back, in front of the Steelers, to take Simpson. I could see such a scenario playing out. Via PSFN, for example, we can pick at 13 and then trade back to around 20 for pick 61 + next years first and second. Alternatively, 61 + 93 + next years first?

The key here is the value placed on next years draft so a 2027 1st has more value than the chart

That seems like a great deal to me, because as you said, Simpson is a great fit with McVay and what he wants. It would keep our SB window wide open after Stafford retires. He would already be comfortable in the system and ready to go with as many as 4 years remaining on his rookie deal. Think about what we could build around him on that money…

The alternative could be a wing and a pray hoping for the Bengals to bungle

 

[Coliseum Ram]

Nice point

I used to mock us trading back but now take BPA at 13 and trade back, in front of the Steelers, to take Simpson. I could see such a scenario playing out. Via PSFN, for example, we can pick at 13 and then trade back to around 20 for pick 61 + next years first and second. Alternatively, 61 + 93 + next years first?

The key here is the value placed on next years draft so a 2027 1st has more value than the chart

That seems like a great deal to me, because as you said, Simpson is a great fit with McVay and what he wants. It would keep our SB window wide open after Stafford retires. He would already be comfortable in the system and ready to go with as many as 4 years remaining on his rookie deal

The alternative could be a wing and a pray hoping for the Bengals to bungle

Or he could have as little as 1 to 2 years, but probably 3 left on his deal (Stafford plays 2-3 years) and thats fine too. Come right in and keep this well-oiled machine goin....

 

[TheTackle]

Or he could have as little as 1 to 2 years, but probably 3 left on his deal (Stafford plays 2-3 years) and thats fine too. Come right in and keep this well-oiled machine goin....

Here’s hoping Stafford plays that long!

 

[Coliseum Ram]

Here’s hoping Stafford plays that long!

I said in an earlier thread, I wouldn't care if Simpson came and sat for THREE years. The Aaron Rodgers/Jordan Love model. As long as Simpson is doing well in the practices and Reps you pick up his 5th year option and then you have 2 full seasons of gameplay to determine if you want to give him the second Max Quarterback contract. More likely though if we do draft Simpson that he's actually playing for us by that 3rd year easily and possibly the 2nd.

 

[Coliseum Ram]

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[Ram Ts]

I get the injury concerns about Tyson and using 13 on someone like that. But what about Simpson? That guy doesn’t look like he can survive a full NFL season. He couldn’t even make it through healthy in his one & only college season.

If he ever becomes a starter, you better have a good backup. Heck look at Purdy - he can’t seem to make it a whole year either.