Selassie I said:Very sad.
It wasn't that long ago that he drove himself off of a cliff ,,, he said he feel asleep behind the wheel ... makes me wonder now.
Yeah, it still hasn't fully set in with me. Dude's an icon in this league. I sincerely hope he didn't have post-concussion syndrome that led to clinical depression or something like that. Such a shame.TK42-RAM said:Extremely sad news - incredible player.
No, I agree with you to an extent. I wasn't going to lead with that take though. It wasn't the time to do that. First you have to mourn the memory, then you can break it down if you need to later. I mentioned initially that I hope he didn't have PCS that led to clinical depression. That's also a very serious disease that could have taken all of the rational thought right out of him. And the fact that he did it the way he did leads me to believe he wants someone to take a look at his brain.Thordaddy said:Yeah ,sad, but mostly for those he left behind . He is no longer feeling the pain that drove him to this but his family will live permanently with the horror.
I'm very HARD on people who take that way "out".
I saw his mother on TV shrieking in agony over the horror that she would be burying her son, his children will live with the "knowledge" that he didn't care enough about them to fight through whatever it was that was causing him pain and to be there for them as they faced the agonies of their lives.
I KNOW I'm not going to score a lot of "humanitarian brownie points" for this take,but there are more than enough people who will "god him up" over the next few days ,he doesn't need my admiration as if any of it can give him comfort.
There may be extenuating circumstances like the ones that were so pervasive to Dave Duerson and he may have KNOWN that he was going to become a burden in the future instead of an asset,that may all be true but I ask anyone reading this to consider THIS real life story.
I HAD a friend his father killed himself because he'd gotten himself upside down on some debts and chose to take that way out, his son my friend repeated his fathers footsteps , killed himself when his financial dealings turned south. SEE his dad had given his son permission BY HIS ACTIONS.
He was a hell of a player ,but I reserve MY compassion for the people he left to deal with the aftermath.
FEW THINGS have impact upon your life MORE than what your father does,you hear a lot, but you SEE MORE.
Whatever life deals you when you have kids you need to suck it up cuz you set parameters EVERY step you take, Junior set one with his last step. IMO more people need to be hard on him for this decision and not ennoble this ignoble act.
Sorry JMO that someone NEEDS to frame this act without PC filters, and see it in a way that generates disdain for the act emphatically NOT nobility.
Yes RIP Junior you took ALL the Peace with you.
X said:No, I agree with you to an extent. I wasn't going to lead with that take though. It wasn't the time to do that. First you have to mourn the memory, then you can break it down if you need to later. I mentioned initially that I hope he didn't have PCS that led to clinical depression. That's also a very serious disease that could have taken all of the rational thought right out of him. And the fact that he did it the way he did leads me to believe he wants someone to take a look at his brain.Thordaddy said:Yeah ,sad, but mostly for those he left behind . He is no longer feeling the pain that drove him to this but his family will live permanently with the horror.
I'm very HARD on people who take that way "out".
I saw his mother on TV shrieking in agony over the horror that she would be burying her son, his children will live with the "knowledge" that he didn't care enough about them to fight through whatever it was that was causing him pain and to be there for them as they faced the agonies of their lives.
I KNOW I'm not going to score a lot of "humanitarian brownie points" for this take,but there are more than enough people who will "god him up" over the next few days ,he doesn't need my admiration as if any of it can give him comfort.
There may be extenuating circumstances like the ones that were so pervasive to Dave Duerson and he may have KNOWN that he was going to become a burden in the future instead of an asset,that may all be true but I ask anyone reading this to consider THIS real life story.
I HAD a friend his father killed himself because he'd gotten himself upside down on some debts and chose to take that way out, his son my friend repeated his fathers footsteps , killed himself when his financial dealings turned south. SEE his dad had given his son permission BY HIS ACTIONS.
He was a hell of a player ,but I reserve MY compassion for the people he left to deal with the aftermath.
FEW THINGS have impact upon your life MORE than what your father does,you hear a lot, but you SEE MORE.
Whatever life deals you when you have kids you need to suck it up cuz you set parameters EVERY step you take, Junior set one with his last step. IMO more people need to be hard on him for this decision and not ennoble this ignoble act.
Sorry JMO that someone NEEDS to frame this act without PC filters, and see it in a way that generates disdain for the act emphatically NOT nobility.
Yes RIP Junior you took ALL the Peace with you.
Yes, it's a very selfish act that leaves a lot of pain in its wake. That said, it's a little early to say he was just being selfish. There could have been MANY things going on inside him that we're not aware of at this point in time. We may never really know. No rational human being does what he did. That includes leaving behind people that he knows are going to be extremely and adversely affected.
Anyway. I'm not going to be hard on him. What's the point? I have no idea what was going on inside his head, and judging strictly by the outcome, I don't WANT to know what was going on in his head. That's the kinda pain nobody wants to deal with.
Sure. I agree. But where do you start? Could someone have intervened earlier? What were the warning signs? Was he receptive to help? What caused his depression? Was it physical (brain damage) or more clinical resulting from everyday pressures that everyone else has to deal with? That's what we don't know right now.Thordaddy said:But the "moment" is NOW and I said what I did because IMO the greatest USE for Junior NOW is as an example of what NOT TO DO.
No problem, man. It's good to have you around.Thordaddy said:Mike Irvin has a good grip on it, my respect for him grew whenI saw whathe had to say, something to the effect that some guys NEED the locker room,I think there is something to that ,mayeb THIS is OUR locker room ,anyway thatynks for the sounding board.
Rich
Thordaddy said:Yeah ,sad, but mostly for those he left behind . He is no longer feeling the pain that drove him to this but his family will live permanently with the horror.
I'm very HARD on people who take that way "out".
I saw his mother on TV shrieking in agony over the horror that she would be burying her son, his children will live with the "knowledge" that he didn't care enough about them to fight through whatever it was that was causing him pain and to be there for them as they faced the agonies of their lives.
I KNOW I'm not going to score a lot of "humanitarian brownie points" for this take,but there are more than enough people who will "god him up" over the next few days ,he doesn't need my admiration as if any of it can give him comfort.
There may be extenuating circumstances like the ones that were so pervasive to Dave Duerson and he may have KNOWN that he was going to become a burden in the future instead of an asset,that may all be true but I ask anyone reading this to consider THIS real life story.
I HAD a friend his father killed himself because he'd gotten himself upside down on some debts and chose to take that way out, his son my friend repeated his fathers footsteps , killed himself when his financial dealings turned south. SEE his dad had given his son permission BY HIS ACTIONS.
He was a hell of a player ,but I reserve MY compassion for the people he left to deal with the aftermath.
FEW THINGS have impact upon your life MORE than what your father does,you hear a lot, but you SEE MORE.
Whatever life deals you when you have kids you need to suck it up cuz you set parameters EVERY step you take, Junior set one with his last step. IMO more people need to be hard on him for this decision and not ennoble this ignoble act.
Sorry JMO that someone NEEDS to frame this act without PC filters, and see it in a way that generates disdain for the act emphatically NOT nobility.
Yes RIP Junior you took ALL the Peace with you.
I believe you are applying rationality to an irrational disease... depression is not rational. Hence, I think its unfair to judge the situation on that basis. I realize that is not an easy ask, but I also think that leap is essential in order to understand those who suffer from depression's wrath.Thordaddy said:Yeah ,sad, but mostly for those he left behind . He is no longer feeling the pain that drove him to this but his family will live permanently with the horror.
I'm very HARD on people who take that way "out".
I saw his mother on TV shrieking in agony over the horror that she would be burying her son, his children will live with the "knowledge" that he didn't care enough about them to fight through whatever it was that was causing him pain and to be there for them as they faced the agonies of their lives.
I KNOW I'm not going to score a lot of "humanitarian brownie points" for this take,but there are more than enough people who will "god him up" over the next few days ,he doesn't need my admiration as if any of it can give him comfort.
There may be extenuating circumstances like the ones that were so pervasive to Dave Duerson and he may have KNOWN that he was going to become a burden in the future instead of an asset,that may all be true but I ask anyone reading this to consider THIS real life story.
I HAD a friend his father killed himself because he'd gotten himself upside down on some debts and chose to take that way out, his son my friend repeated his fathers footsteps , killed himself when his financial dealings turned south. SEE his dad had given his son permission BY HIS ACTIONS.
He was a hell of a player ,but I reserve MY compassion for the people he left to deal with the aftermath.
FEW THINGS have impact upon your life MORE than what your father does,you hear a lot, but you SEE MORE.
Whatever life deals you when you have kids you need to suck it up cuz you set parameters EVERY step you take, Junior set one with his last step. IMO more people need to be hard on him for this decision and not ennoble this ignoble act.
Sorry JMO that someone NEEDS to frame this act without PC filters, and see it in a way that generates disdain for the act emphatically NOT nobility.
Yes RIP Junior you took ALL the Peace with you.
I have had a significant round with depression took the Minnesota Multiphasic, and other personality inventories, came back strongly suicidal ,was put on Elavil( that's an antidepressant from the 80's) ,took it ONE DAY and said "fuck this" I'm not going to spend my life dumbed out. I went to counselling for six months, and LEARNED why and how people become depressed got SO INTO IT I went back to school and got a degree in Psych. And yes depression centers around irrational thought patterns , but you won't concur depression by applying MORE irrational thought patterns ,you HAVE TO force yourself to question your every negative thought.interference said:I believe you are applying rationality to an irrational disease... depression is not rational. Hence, I think its unfair to judge the situation on that basis. I realize that is not an easy ask, but I also think that leap is essential in order to understand those who suffer from depression's wrath.Thordaddy said:Yeah ,sad, but mostly for those he left behind . He is no longer feeling the pain that drove him to this but his family will live permanently with the horror.
I'm very HARD on people who take that way "out".
I saw his mother on TV shrieking in agony over the horror that she would be burying her son, his children will live with the "knowledge" that he didn't care enough about them to fight through whatever it was that was causing him pain and to be there for them as they faced the agonies of their lives.
I KNOW I'm not going to score a lot of "humanitarian brownie points" for this take,but there are more than enough people who will "god him up" over the next few days ,he doesn't need my admiration as if any of it can give him comfort.
There may be extenuating circumstances like the ones that were so pervasive to Dave Duerson and he may have KNOWN that he was going to become a burden in the future instead of an asset,that may all be true but I ask anyone reading this to consider THIS real life story.
I HAD a friend his father killed himself because he'd gotten himself upside down on some debts and chose to take that way out, his son my friend repeated his fathers footsteps , killed himself when his financial dealings turned south. SEE his dad had given his son permission BY HIS ACTIONS.
He was a hell of a player ,but I reserve MY compassion for the people he left to deal with the aftermath.
FEW THINGS have impact upon your life MORE than what your father does,you hear a lot, but you SEE MORE.
Whatever life deals you when you have kids you need to suck it up cuz you set parameters EVERY step you take, Junior set one with his last step. IMO more people need to be hard on him for this decision and not ennoble this ignoble act.
Sorry JMO that someone NEEDS to frame this act without PC filters, and see it in a way that generates disdain for the act emphatically NOT nobility.
Yes RIP Junior you took ALL the Peace with you.
On edit: I just saw that Mike Silver has addressed this in his article... I had missed that prior to submitting this post. Thx for posting those excerpts, X.