Jalen Ramsey watch party

[Corbin]

Agh my favorite part of the offseason when everyone starts getting pissy with eachother! lol

 

[Corbin]

Whatever happens out at sea stays out at sea right @Merlin?
Might as well get my digs in now!

 

[sloramfan]

turned into a must clik thread...

LMAO...

more popcorn please...

go rams

slo

 

[Flipper]

Its not an opinion, its a contract
You keep confusing money that has been paid out to money that is being paid in future
Teams can decide how long to amortize bonuses when they determine the contract terms. The contract is already in place and whether it is Miami, or the team they trade to, they abide by the terms as written.
These terms cant be changed unless either a simple re-structure (doesnt need player approval) or a full re-structure (needs player approval) and approved by NFL/ The trading team CANT just add void years.
So again, this isnt an argument of opinion its how NFL contracts work.
And it DOES make it more complicated than by just working with an upcoming salary, which is the only point I made.

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We’re close! You almost understand to the point of not thinking it is complicated! Heh.

well, first, I will say, maybe I am wrong. That is an olive branch. You are welcome. Of course, I don’t think so.

also, not for one second have I confused past and future payments.

but our point of disagreement comes down to one thing. You believe those amortizations are set in the contract at signing. I believe they are set when paid. Simple, right?

So, let’s just take the $19M week 1. In your screen shot it is amortized over 5 years at $3.796 per year on its own in ’25, then combined with future EXPECTED bonuses in ‘26, ‘27, ‘28, and ‘29.

That may help you understand this is just a visual guide and not written in stone. Those future bonuses are not guaranteed and may never even be paid. Then those numbers would disappear.

and I believe if a team decided to account for the entire $19M in 2025, they could. They rarely do, but they could. That part is not in the contract at signing. Accounting is explicitly designed for flexibility in most cases.

Anyway, I would say show me where you got your understanding that amortization is locked in at signing versus when paid but since I don’t want to do that for my side, I am willing to accept this as my final parry; win, lose or draw.

no matter how you misinterpret or misconstrue or misunderstand as you have throughout this thread, I will just play some Beatles and let it be.

cheers!

 

[fanotodd]

It is all over this thread, but some people confuse the issue. This is NOT cap hit for the Dolphins or acquiring team, just cash due for the 2025 season. Two components: salary and bonus. Both fully guaranteed.

the salary is $1.255M and the bonus is $19M due week 1. any team acquiring Ramsey before week 1 would be obligated for both unless arrangements are made otherwise.

Then why in the hell would anyone want to make that trade before the season starts?

 

[Flipper]

Then why in the hell would anyone want to make that trade before the season starts?

To acquire Ramsey. Obviously, once that bonus is paid, the incentive for the Dolphins to trade him drops and the price to acquire him rises.

The big unknown is what caused the rift between Ramsey and Miami that led to him being ‘available’.

 

[fanotodd]

To acquire Ramsey. Obviously, once that bonus is paid, the incentive for the Dolphins to trade him drops and the price to acquire him rises.

The big unknown is what caused the rift between Ramsey and Miami that led to him being ‘available’.

If it’s the Rams who are the interested team, they at least have a benchmark of what the got for ramsey a couple years ago. No way the dolphins should expect more in return. No way the Rams should pay more than they got last time around.
Just my opinion.

As for the rift, maybe it’s as simple as him seeing a team going the wrong direction. Wasn’t that behind him wanting out of jax?

 

[Flipper]

If it’s the Rams who are the interested team, they at least have a benchmark of what the got for ramsey a couple years ago. No way the dolphins should expect more in return. No way the Rams should pay more than they got last time around.
Just my opinion.

As for the rift, maybe it’s as simple as him seeing a team going the wrong direction. Wasn’t that behind him wanting out of jax?

Sure, Ramsey seems to always be at least disgruntled adjacent. My speculation is money and contract (wanting future guarantees), but we’re all just speculating. Miami and Ramsey decided to go public with the agreed attempt to part ways but keep the specifics in house.

i think the Rams agree with you and are on board with not overpaying. We’ll see who breaks first (Dolphins, Ramsey, or acquiring team).

 

[dieterbrock]

Haha done here

 

[RhodyRams]

Haha done here

don't quit now buddy

#questfor100 pages

 

[dieterbrock]

We’re close! You almost understand to the point of not thinking it is complicated! Heh.

I’ve been just saying it’s more complicated than a straight salary. Not a deal breaker, not impossible at all.
Oddly enough you and I have been saying almost the same thing

 

[So Ram]

Sure, Ramsey seems to always be at least disgruntled adjacent. My speculation is money and contract (wanting future guarantees), but we’re all just speculating. Miami and Ramsey decided to go public with the agreed attempt to part ways but keep the specifics in house.

i think the Rams agree with you and are on board with not overpaying. We’ll see who breaks first (Dolphins, Ramsey, or acquiring team).

Here is just another article.

My belief s will continue to be The Rams made out like TRUE CHAMPS on the Jalen Ramsey trade & in FACT imo that Ahkello Whiterspoon has been better & will be better than Ramsey.
That said per VALUE (contract & leadership). - btw totally disagree with this article in a lot of ways.

Jalen Ramsey eyes return to West Coast but Rams' cap space poses a daunting $3.2M dilemma

Explore Jalen Ramsey trade rumors as he eyes a return to the West Coast amid financial challenges.

motorcyclesports.net

 

[So Ram]

Jake lives about 15 minutes from me so I’ll allow it.

I’ve always liked Jake, more as a young poster here though.He did incredible studying of The Rams .

He reminded me of the HAMMER who brought me he to follow before he burnet

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

We’re close! You almost understand to the point of not thinking it is complicated! Heh.

well, first, I will say, maybe I am wrong. That is an olive branch. You are welcome. Of course, I don’t think so.

also, not for one second have I confused past and future payments.

but our point of disagreement comes down to one thing. You believe those amortizations are set in the contract at signing. I believe they are set when paid. Simple, right?

So, let’s just take the $19M week 1. In your screen shot it is amortized over 5 years at $3.796 per year on its own in ’25, then combined with future EXPECTED bonuses in ‘26, ‘27, ‘28, and ‘29.

That may help you understand this is just a visual guide and not written in stone. Those future bonuses are not guaranteed and may never even be paid. Then those numbers would disappear.

and I believe if a team decided to account for the entire $19M in 2025, they could. They rarely do, but they could. That part is not in the contract at signing. Accounting is explicitly designed for flexibility in most cases.

Anyway, I would say show me where you got your understanding that amortization is locked in at signing versus when paid but since I don’t want to do that for my side, I am willing to accept this as my final parry; win, lose or draw.

no matter how you misinterpret or misconstrue or misunderstand as you have throughout this thread, I will just play some Beatles and let it be.

cheers!

No. @dieterbrock is correct. It’s all locked in. Ramsey is owed $19 million at week 1. There is no way to juggle the accounting. The contract is guaranteed.

If it was as easy as you seem to think to finagle the terms, then the contract wouldn’t be the obstacle that it is. Ramsey isn’t the hold up in mss as long a deal. It’s his contract and how much of it the Dolphins agree to pay that is the obstacle.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

If it’s the Rams who are the interested team, they at least have a benchmark of what the got for ramsey a couple years ago. No way the dolphins should expect more in return. No way the Rams should pay more than they got last time around.
Just my opinion.

As for the rift, maybe it’s as simple as him seeing a team going the wrong direction. Wasn’t that behind him wanting out of jax?

Agreed. He’s older now. Plus his contract was not as big of an obstacle when the Rams traded him. So no more than a third and a backup level player. If it were me the only way I give that much up is if the Dolphins eat a chunk of that week 1 bonus. I’m sure that’s the hold up.

 

[So Ram]

You Seamen are all alike.

Agreed. He’s older now. Plus his contract was not as big of an obstacle when the Rams traded him. So no more than a third and a backup level player. If it were me the only way I give that much up is if the Dolphins eat a chunk of that week 1 bonus. I’m sure that’s the hold up.

Here is just another article.

My belief s will continue to be The Rams made out like TRUE CHAMPS on the Jalen Ramsey trade & in FACT imo that Ahkello Whiterspoon has been better & will be better than Ramsey.
That said per VALUE (contract & leadership). - btw totally disagree with this article in a lot of ways.

Jalen Ramsey eyes return to West Coast but Rams' cap space poses a daunting $3.2M dilemma

Explore Jalen Ramsey trade rumors as he eyes a return to the West Coast amid financial challenges.

motorcyclesports.net

Well I’m saying he goes to The LA Chargers. That was Eric Weeldes team for years.

Derwin James is his best buddy in The NFL. He’d like nothing more than to play with him & show The Rams what’s Up.

Of course out of respect,he has a nice LA Fan base.

 

[Flipper]

No. @dieterbrock is correct. It’s all locked in. Ramsey is owed $19 million at week 1. There is no way to juggle the accounting. The contract is guaranteed.

If it was as easy as you seem to think to finagle the terms, then the contract wouldn’t be the obstacle that it is. Ramsey isn’t the hold up in mss as long a deal. It’s his contract and how much of it the Dolphins agree to pay that is the obstacle.

So frustrating discussing things with low reading comprehension skilled people. Nobody is saying he is not due the $19M. The question is who decides how it is spread out for cap purposes. If you are certain it is decided at the time the contract is signed and not when paid, please let us know how you learned that.

 

[Flipper]

So frustrating discussing things with low reading comprehension skilled people. Nobody is saying he is not due the $19M. The question is who decides how it is spread out for cap purposes. If you are certain it is decided at the time the contract is signed and not when paid, please let us know how you learned that.

 

[RamFan503]

So frustrating discussing things with low reading comprehension skilled people.

Keep it about the subject, not the poster. You tend to attack the intelligence of members here rather than simply discussing points or opinions. That’s not going to wear well here. You really need to get familiar with the rules of this board and abide by them. I get that you’re new here and probably have posted extensively on other boards. We tend to run this place a little different.

 

[Flipper]

Keep it about the subject, not the poster. You tend to attack the intelligence of members here rather than simply discussing points or opinions. That’s not going to wear well here. You really need to get familiar with the rules of this board and abide by them. I get that you’re new here and probably have posted extensively on other boards. We tend to run this place a little different.

Eh, just ban me. Too soft. Peace out!