Is it possible that Malaysia plane was stolen?

[RhodyRams]

 

[RamFan503]

Very difficult.

My Dad used to fly lots of classified military missions. Sometimes he didn't even know return dates or locations up front. He would try and give my Mom a round about date of return,,, but sometimes it was way off. My Mom freaked out on more than one occasion, and of course freaked me out in the process. It's a horrible feeling not knowing for sure.

Yep. That would be hard on a family. I remember my mom being very stoic a few times when my dad was going to a particularly nasty fire. She did a pretty good job of not letting us in on it but when he would go to fight fires and the Santa Anas were blowing, there was no way around worrying. My dad got brought home in an ambulance once. That didn't do much for us kids. He would routinely be gone for a few days at a time - sleeping at the firehall. We didn't know he was even in the hospital after a building literally came own on him while he had his partner over his shoulders.

 

[LesBaker]

But... There were reports this plane went to 45,000ft. What if that manoeuvre was intended to decompress the cabin and kill the passengers?

Then, fly the plane to a destination to be repurposed into a bomb?

It's a bizarre set of things to consider. Some crazy.

But until it's found... Who knows?

I read that was not possible because the plane couldn't withstand that altitude and would break apart.

This plane is either parked somewhere, or sitting on the bottom of the Indian Ocean.

 

[LesBaker]

I wouldn't guess there are too many secret runways in the world big enough to handle a 777.

Less than a mile is all it takes to land that plane.......so it wouldnt be that hard to carve out a place.......drug smugglers do it every day on a smaller scale.

Like I said, its on the bottom of the sea or parked somewhere.

 

[Ramhusker]

I'd have a hard time believing it's on the ocean floor but I guess stranger things have happened. I mean it was a miracle that one was landed in Hudson Bay. That doesn't happen in maybe 1 in 10000 chances.

 

[jrry32]

But... There were reports this plane went to 45,000ft. What if that manoeuvre was intended to decompress the cabin and kill the passengers?

Then, fly the plane to a destination to be repurposed into a bomb?

It's a bizarre set of things to consider. Some crazy.

But until it's found... Who knows?

What would you do with the bomb plane though? If you fly it into another country's airspace, they'll shoot it down. Plus, a plane with fuel is already basically a firebomb.

Less than a mile is all it takes to land that plane.......so it wouldnt be that hard to carve out a place.......drug smugglers do it every day on a smaller scale.

Like I said, its on the bottom of the sea or parked somewhere.

Drug smugglers didn't have 777. You'd have to carve out a place, pave over the runway and then avoid military radar and satellites. I'm not saying it's impossible but I think it would be very difficult and costly to do. And for what purpose?

My guess would be it crashed in the water.

 

[Ramhusker]

What would you do with the bomb plane though? If you fly it into another country's airspace, they'll shoot it down. Plus, a plane with fuel is already basically a firebomb.



Drug smugglers didn't have 777. You'd have to carve out a place, pave over the runway and then avoid military radar and satellites. I'm not saying it's impossible but I think it would be very difficult and costly to do. And for what purpose?

My guess would be it crashed in the water.

Debris? That's the puzzling part of a plane going down in water. There is a pretty big debris field, one that expands over time, and a whole lot of people looking for it. Yes, a big ocean, but very advanced means of locating it in use.

 

[Ram_of_Old]

This makes as much sense as anything:

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

If communications and the transponders were knocked out at once, the this could be a cause. But where is the plane?

 

[jrry32]

Debris? That's the puzzling part of a plane going down in water. There is a pretty big debris field, one that expands over time, and a whole lot of people looking for it. Yes, a big ocean, but very advanced means of locating it in use.

When Air France 447 went down, it took them days to find any debris and they had a much smaller area to search. If someone did turn off the transponder and then flew the plane off course, it's possible we just haven't looked in the right place yet.

 

[Ramhusker]

When Air France 447 went down, it took them days to find any debris and they had a much smaller area to search. If someone did turn off the transponder and then flew the plane off course, it's possible we just haven't looked in the right place yet.

I hear ya but I think somebody knows more than what has been reported. It would not surprise me if the plane has landed safely either. Could it have been stolen? Yes. Could it be attempted to use it for terror? Yes Could it be successful? Probably not, unless, some super well laid plans were put into place to allow it to be refueled and moved already but that would have had to happen pretty quick after landing. A lot of people would have to have been involved to pull it off and some elaborate scheming to prevent any cell phone calls not to be made.

 

[jrry32]

If it were going to be used for terror, I can't see any possible way where it wouldn't have been used that day. There's no value in landing it then trying to use it later. It'll get picked up on radar when it enters a country's airspace.

 

[RmsLegends]

What would you do with the bomb plane though? If you fly it into another country's airspace, they'll shoot it down. Plus, a plane with fuel is already basically a firebomb.

Personally if I was to steal a 777 for a mission to bomb or use the plane as a bomb. I would repaint it with US Air Force colors and turn it into a tanker since the KC767 is nothing more than a 767. So I am betting a redone 777 could pass for a KC-767 upon first look. So I would do as such and plan a target no one would ask questions to see a KC-767 above.

 

[jrry32]

Personally if I was to steal a 777 for a mission to bomb or use the plane as a bomb. I would repaint it with US Air Force colors and turn it into a tanker since the KC767 is nothing more than a 767. So I am betting a redone 777 could pass for a KC-767 upon first look. So I would do as such and plan a target no one would ask questions to see a KC-767 above.

Except it won't be flying with an Air Force transponder and they'll have to communicate who they are. If they don't, the country they're flying over will alert the US and I'm sure the US will be aware that it's not their plane.

I just don't see it happening. They're way too strict with airspace. Too many procedures. Doesn't make sense to me to steal the plane to try and land it then use it later on to attack. First of all, how are they going to land it unnoticed? Second of all, how are they going to fly into other airspace unnoticed? Third of all, where will they get the runway, hangar to hide it and fuel needed to refuel it?

I can't see this happening. IMO, the plane is gone. Sad as it is.

 

[RmsLegends]

Except it won't be flying with an Air Force transponder and they'll have to communicate who they are. If they don't, the country they're flying over will alert the US and I'm sure the US will be aware that it's not their plane.

I just don't see it happening. They're way too strict with airspace. Too many procedures. Doesn't make sense to me to steal the plane to try and land it then use it later on to attack. First of all, how are they going to land it unnoticed? Second of all, how are they going to fly into other airspace unnoticed? Third of all, where will they get the runway, hangar to hide it and fuel needed to refuel it?

I can't see this happening. IMO, the plane is gone. Sad as it is.

Transponders can be stolen or the electronic signal tampered with. Ya can use hydrogen peroxide or various other volatile fuels or simply buy jp fuel so fuel is not a problem. Hide would be easy as daily they announce where they are looking hiding it would not be a problem. I personally have no clue what happened and lean towards it splashed down. I just know if someone stole it to use it ya can't discount that kind of motivation and their will to make it happen. And ya are talking US air space some places like Diego Garcia or another military installation it would seem like it belonged. Only thing is it would have to be a long term thinking as ya would have to wait until it was forgotten about. Like the 727 that went missing years ago and know no one remembers.

 

[bluecoconuts]

The military is constantly encrypting things and putting in a new fill weekly. I don't know how the Air Force does it, but I know in the Army if someone were to steal a radio they would have at most 6 days to use it before the fills are changed over. That's assuming that nobody spoke up about it being lost and having the fill changed right off the bat.

At least for the US. Either way I agree thst its too late to use it as a weapon now, unless they plan on hiding it for 20 years so everyone forgets.

 

[RmsLegends]

The military is constantly encrypting things and putting in a new fill weekly. I don't know how the Air Force does it, but I know in the Army if someone were to steal a radio they would have at most 6 days to use it before the fills are changed over. That's assuming that nobody spoke up about it being lost and having the fill changed right off the bat.

At least for the US. Either way I agree thst its too late to use it as a weapon now, unless they plan on hiding it for 20 years so everyone forgets.

Yea ya are talking about secure comms bro and heck how many times does the fill not work......LOL Anyway with transponders they are used to help ID a aircraft. So many times the flight tower will assign the freq they want the return echo on so the pilot will dial up the freq the tower request so they can better track them via screen. To bad we were not called in right away as we could have picked up the ILS with a side lobe collections sat if it did land.

 

[Ramhusker]

Debris found? It's probably the end to this mystery if true.

 

[Thordaddy]

As time goes on the thesis that it is somewhere on land becomes more and more accepted,and FWIW the US could know where and be in the midst of planning a rescue mission that would not be served by disclosing that we know where it is.
As far as it's usefulness,Pakistan has numerous nukes and materials to construct them ,that plane could be re purposed to carry a nuke quite easily and IF the passengers are alive it COULD be that they would be on the plane when it was commissioned on it's intended mission, leaving it a tough damned call whether to let it into vulnerable air space or shoot it down.

 

[Selassie I]

Debris found? It's probably the end to this mystery if true.

Yeah,,, guess they have to wait for the sun to come up so they can confirm.

 

[CGI_Ram]

As time goes on the thesis that it is somewhere on land becomes more and more accepted,and FWIW the US could know where and be in the midst of planning a rescue mission that would not be served by disclosing that we know where it is.
As far as it's usefulness,Pakistan has numerous nukes and materials to construct them ,that plane could be re purposed to carry a nuke quite easily and IF the passengers are alive it COULD be that they would be on the plane when it was commissioned on it's intended mission, leaving it a tough damned call whether to let it into vulnerable air space or shoot it down.

It's far fetched. But a bomb or dirty materials on a plane would be disastrous.