I’m about done with the NFL.

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gabriel18 said:
The problem I see is they are calling penalties on what they think they see, instead of an obvious foul . The games are becoming unwatchable with all the bogus flags . Plus they are changing the outcome and costing teams the game . How about some accountability when they make an obvious blown call .
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I have been preaching this for years.
 
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jetplt67 said:
I try to avoid these types of threads cause they are just absurd. Every once in awhile I feel the need to set the room straight. So here goes:

Some of you know that I officiate HS, Semi Pro and JC football. I work with several NFL and Div 1 officials. These guys are absolutely top notch and take a great deal of pride in their games. The preparation these guys go through is outrageous (so much so that I don't even want to move up to div 1 or 2 or the NFL. It requires too much time and prep and endlessssssss scrutiny. I don't prep this much to fly my 737). Hours and hours of film review and study every week. They are scrutinized to the nth degree, every play they officiate is reviewed and picked apart.

Officials make numerous decisions on every play. Fouls go uncalled for many reasons, you aren't going to get rid of it. Just because fans don't understand doesn't automatically make officials corrupt. Take a little time to understand the process and key system and you might have a better understanding of the game and how it is officiated. You will see why things were "missed" or not called. (trust me it takes years though) I think that might make your game day a little less stressful and you might actually see the game for what it is: a human game played by humans.

Would you accuse Goff of intentionally throwing footballs to defenders or GZ of intentionally missing every 40-49 yard FG? Of course not, that would be ludicrous and so is accusing officials of intentionally missing calls or controlling the outcome of games.

Say what you want but until you sit in on the preparation and meetings, you have no idea what you are talking about. I am sure I will get several negative comments by fans who don't want to understand, just want something to bitch about, someone to blame. Have at it
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how does that explain the fuckwits in new york green lighting four, not one, four different contentious calls against the rams in the stealers game? four fucking times they green lighted the wrong call. four times.

that's not human error.

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LA_vision said:
You wouldn't be responding like this had these calls had gone against the Rams. It's rare to get one tripping called, let alone 2. Horrific reffing.
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I rarely complain about the reffing.
Feel free to fact check.
 
EastRam said:
You miss my point.

Your saying they are bias.

I’m saying the more bitching about the refs will make the Numerous Flag League address their failure with part time refs.
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Yeah. Unfortunately, this is nothing new.
I think the biggest problem is making rules too tough to call at game speed with the human eye. It shouldn't take super slow-mo replay to figure out a call
 
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jetplt67 said:
I try to avoid these types of threads cause they are just absurd. Every once in awhile I feel the need to set the room straight. So here goes:

Some of you know that I officiate HS, Semi Pro and JC football. I work with several NFL and Div 1 officials. These guys are absolutely top notch and take a great deal of pride in their games. The preparation these guys go through is outrageous (so much so that I don't even want to move up to div 1 or 2 or the NFL. It requires too much time and prep and endlessssssss scrutiny. I don't prep this much to fly my 737). Hours and hours of film review and study every week. They are scrutinized to the nth degree, every play they officiate is reviewed and picked apart.

Officials make numerous decisions on every play. Fouls go uncalled for many reasons, you aren't going to get rid of it. Just because fans don't understand doesn't automatically make officials corrupt. Take a little time to understand the process and key system and you might have a better understanding of the game and how it is officiated. You will see why things were "missed" or not called. (trust me it takes years though) I think that might make your game day a little less stressful and you might actually see the game for what it is: a human game played by humans.

Would you accuse Goff of intentionally throwing footballs to defenders or GZ of intentionally missing every 40-49 yard FG? Of course not, that would be ludicrous and so is accusing officials of intentionally missing calls or controlling the outcome of games.

Say what you want but until you sit in on the preparation and meetings, you have no idea what you are talking about. I am sure I will get several negative comments by fans who don't want to understand, just want something to bitch about, someone to blame. Have at it
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Are you the same guy that said you will let o linemen get away with holding as long as they are double teaming a player, because once they've committed that many resources to stopping one guy they've picked their poison? That comment was made a while ago so maybe it was somebody else and I'm misremembering. If that's the logic and preparation you're talking about going into the refereeing, there's clearly no point in trying to discuss enforcing the real rules instead of whatever made up shit each referee personally decides on.
 
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Jacobarch said:
As long as there is the human element in the game there will always be biased calls. Its human nature and theres no getting around it
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Yeah, but when they totally blow a replay review, that's obviously wrong, then what's their excuse? The refs flat out suck...they're below the human element!
 
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Karate61 said:
Yeah, but when they totally blow a replay review, that's obviously wrong, then what's their excuse? The refs flat out suck...they're below the human element!
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Edit: "That forward pass is a fumble and that forward pass is a pass!" (idiots)
 
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jetplt67 said:
I try to avoid these types of threads cause they are just absurd. Every once in awhile I feel the need to set the room straight. So here goes:

Some of you know that I officiate HS, Semi Pro and JC football. I work with several NFL and Div 1 officials. These guys are absolutely top notch and take a great deal of pride in their games. The preparation these guys go through is outrageous (so much so that I don't even want to move up to div 1 or 2 or the NFL. It requires too much time and prep and endlessssssss scrutiny. I don't prep this much to fly my 737). Hours and hours of film review and study every week. They are scrutinized to the nth degree, every play they officiate is reviewed and picked apart.

Officials make numerous decisions on every play. Fouls go uncalled for many reasons, you aren't going to get rid of it. Just because fans don't understand doesn't automatically make officials corrupt. Take a little time to understand the process and key system and you might have a better understanding of the game and how it is officiated. You will see why things were "missed" or not called. (trust me it takes years though) I think that might make your game day a little less stressful and you might actually see the game for what it is: a human game played by humans.

Would you accuse Goff of intentionally throwing footballs to defenders or GZ of intentionally missing every 40-49 yard FG? Of course not, that would be ludicrous and so is accusing officials of intentionally missing calls or controlling the outcome of games.

Say what you want but until you sit in on the preparation and meetings, you have no idea what you are talking about. I am sure I will get several negative comments by fans who don't want to understand, just want something to bitch about, someone to blame. Have at it
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I understand your perspective, my friend, but our game against the Steelers wasn't just human error. Call it unconscious bias. Call it corruption. Something stunk that night. It was as one-sided as games get.
 
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Ramfansince79 said:
That “tripping” call in the Pats-Cowboys game was obvious BS.

They got us in the Super Bowl on the phantom holding call.

I honestly believe the refs favor certain teams as dictated by the League office.

When the game has no integrity, it’s no fun to be a fan.

We’ll see tonight if they lets the Packers hold the whiners pass rushers all game.
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I will add that there were 2 BS tripping calls against the cowboys.
 
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kurtfaulk said:
how does that explain the fuckwits in new york green lighting four, not one, four different contentious calls against the rams in the stealers game? four fucking times they green lighted the wrong call. four times.

that's not human error.
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I’ve watched 5 decades of the NFL and seen a lot of bad calls. This game should be shown as evidence that the NFL is fixed, or has the worst officials they’ve ever had and the worst of any league. Probably all of the above.

There were over 10 judgement or 50/50 calls that ALL went to the Steelers.

Every. Single. One.

That cannot possibly be a coincidence.

BTW, One call alone would have given the Rams the win...
 
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When you hear "after further review, the play stands", means that the refs probably made a mistake but they won't fix it with replay.

The pass interference review is BS. I'm not sure the call against Robey Coleman last season would have been overturned based on what I've seen so far this year.
 
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Lunchbox said:
The tripping call was obviously a mistake when shown in slo-mo. Too bad the refs don't have the advantage of slo-mo vision.

They also see plays from very different angles than the TV audience does, often with other players blocking their view.

There will always be bad calls, that is why we have replay (not the perfect solution, but better than none), and players will always be able to get away with illegal plays as long as they can be done subtly enough to make it difficult to flag.

There do seem to be more bad calls and non-calls in the last few years than I can ever remember before, but we also have more advanced technology that exposes them than ever before as well.

I don't go for conspiracy theories but you have to wonder about bias when they seem to continually happen at key moments.
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If a player blocked their view then you don't call anything. You can't call what you don't see. They are not supposed to guess or assume something happened.
 
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