Really? Didn't realize Robinson was playing at a small D2 School
Robinson has more in common with Jason Smith than he does Brian Quick - hell you could even say Fendi Onobun - pure athletic talent that you hope puts it all together
No. Robinson didn't play at a small D2 School and no one said that he did, so put that straw away. However, he is being judged far too quickly by folks such as yourself. BTW, Robinson was a dominant college player. Smith and especially Onobun were not.
But, since you didn't like the Quick analogy, your quick judgement smells no different than the stuff some crow eaters were saying about another former Rams #2 overall selection, in Chris Long, during his rookie season. Of course, most of that nonsense came from fans who were in favor the the Rams selecting someone else then, too.
Never had an issue with Long, even if his pass rushing was slower to develop he was great against the run.. But Long also made an impact and started in his first season.
I have proudly admitted I am a Crow eater on Quick - but so far, he's the only one.
If Chris Long had not started his rookie year and there was someone playing badly in front of them, then you'd have a somewhat decent analogy...
And perhaps if Long joined a team that finished 7-9 minus it's starting QB the previous season instead of the talent depleted 3-13 squad he joined AND the team had a better option, at the time, then perhaps he wouldn't have been a rookie starter either for what turned out to be one of the league's worst defenses.
Problem is there were better options available where he was drafted, too.BTW, IMO, Chris Long has never been great vs. the run and especially not during his rookie season. But, even so, tweeking your description of Long a bit, I'd guess that today, if given the opportunity, Robinson's run blocking would be great while his pass protection is slower to develop. But, of course, he plays a position where teams can't take that chance if a better option is available.
except for this team - we saw it last season with shelly smith/washingtonAnd Olinemen don't usually rotate.
And this has what to do with Long's playing level vs Robinson's?
Long was never considered a project like Robinson was... Matthews or Martin would easily been a better o-line pick, and that's not hindsight..Evidently the Rams thought highly of Martin when they desperately trying to trade back into the first.
Problem is there were better options available where he was drafted, too.
None of them have to be world beaters out the gate - but if you're drafting the 2nd best player in the draft you hope you're getting one that can at least start if there's someone playing horribly in front of them.
Jags made the switch from Henne to Bortles - They should do the same with Robinson.
But the fact that the 2nd overall picks has the one of the lowest snap counts, if not the least all together, out of all players taken in the first round is a disappointment.
Especially, when the team making the selection didn't earn such a high selection via it's record (far easier to start on horrible teams)
Robinson is not a "raw talent" he is an elite raw talent,you will find people in the later rounds who are talented and raw ,but they won't be elite athletes combined with his size. HAD we picked Matthews GRob would have come off the board top half of the first round because every scouting dept under heaven was as high on him as we were.
Like anyone I too would desire he hit the ground running was capable of playing every position on the line and been plug and play from the get go, but IF there is anything to him being a possible bust or further behind the learning curve than expected ,playing him if he wasn't ready would seem to me to be the worst thing you could do for him and the rest of the team, as long s there is hope for this season
I just don't think I'll ever understand the implication he's a bust coupled with the insistence he play,if I thought he was a mistake him playing would be the last thing I'd want to see.
BTW iced you forgot Gaines
which isn't true ,someone else would be starting if he wasn't the perceived best option,yes the slot opened due to injury but he won the slot and he is contributing pretty well IMOdeliberately left him off encase one would argue he's only starting due to injury
again,this HAS NOTHING TO DO with how POORLY Joseph is playing.. You keep dodging this point and coming up with these different ways to talk about draft position and team record when it means absolutely nothing.
Donald contributing? Check
Joyner Contributing? Check
I expect my first two rounders to atleast garner SOME snaps... but I guess I just have too expectations because clearly Robinson is setting the bar pretty low with only having 10 snaps in 4 games. meanwhile the rest of the first round have seen more action (non qb positions)
Love me some BQ, especially the blizzards of the month.Already has more targets, receptions, yards, and TDs than any of his previous 2 years.
Dude has arrived, and Snead was right.
I didn't think I was dodging any point. When I take a closer look, I see that quite a bit of what Joseph gets blamed for could/should be on Wells.
Donald & Joyner contributing? Again, they play positions that are typically rotated giving them the opportunity. And as for the latter, he is proving that contributing and playing well/making a positive impact aren't the same thing. And that's going on with quite a few rookies around the league. But, despite their rookie struggles they are good picks and get a pass by some simply because they are playing. Besides, it's possible that some of those other rookies might be struggling for playing time here and Robinson could be starting elsewhere. Who knows?
yea...no.... joseph is just god awful. Wells has little to do with Joseph's ugly,ugly play. Washington/smith rotation last year would have been better.
And again - we know this team has no problem rotating players -"for the lesser of two evils" as you've even said
Quinn Ojinnaka was awful. Joseph while he has had his struggles is not at that level. But, Wells struggles has had an impact on Joseph, TOO, IMO. And that gets completely ignored while most have got the tar and feathers ready for Joseph.
And again, no one is questioning what the team has done in the past. My statement was that it's not the norm. That's it. And unlike last year, the rest of the line had more of a chance to gell prior to the season.
Oh no - I know Scott Wells is not playing at a high level - but that doesn't mean Joseph's failure is being caused by Wells. If anything, it looks more of the opposite way around - Joseph has been downright ugly all on his own. And it's not because of any other players when you're getting physically beat or you're the one blowing a blocking assignment....getting pushed into the backfield and allowing RB's/QB's to get hit on the most consistent basis out of all linemen.
Everything I've watched and rewatched of Joseph has been down right ugly - and wells isn't the reason for it.
This ^ should be mail to ever-one at ESPN after the Game!!