Gronk just retired.

[coconut]

No, the size was from the roids, the symmetry was all genetics. Tons of guys who are natural will NEVER get that kind of symmetry. Even guys now who are clearly using can't get close.

Genetics? As in two arms, two legs etc.? What do you mean by "symmetry"? Are you putting a caliper to each muscle?

 

[Mackeyser]

Genetics? As in two arms, two legs etc.? What do you mean by "symmetry"? Are you putting a caliper to each muscle?

Actually, yeah, kinda. More typically, it's a tape measure around the whole muscle group, but yeah, when it comes to certain back muscle groups, yeah, they actually do use calipers or other measuring devices and then structure future workouts to get the body as symmetrical as possible.

One of the things bodybuilders will tell you is that three things go into making a bodybuilding champion: genetics, hard work and supplementation (up to and including HGH, roids, insulin (old days), myostatin blockers, etc)

What genetics does for a bodybuilder is to define what the shape of a muscle will be once it is built up. NO amount of supplementation can change that and hard work can only go so far.

For example, some current bodybuilders have Steinerism or a "chest gap" See this image of Terry Crews

Now look at this pic of Arnold

Arnold's chest is MASSIVE and yet his entire sternum is covered. Part of that was a different workout regimen. Arnold was a power lifter first and switched to bodybuilding, so he focused on heavy weight for mass and regulated his workouts to include rest. He was very mindful not to overwork the muscles which allowed him to fully augment his musculature while avoiding modern issues like Steinerism, belly bloat and other issues common today. Now, whether it's caused by insulin use, overwork or injury (all things which could deteriorate the medial pectoral nerve), it's an issue. The wrestler, Steiner, apparently also had a serious lung injury which required surgeons to crack his chest open and it looks like he didn't let the nerves get deep enough into the muscle before resuming lifting. Had he waited a year to resume lifting, it might not have been that exaggerated.

Some people naturally have a degree of it just based on where the muscle attaches to the sternum.

Also, look at anyone's face. It's asymmetrical. You can do a simply photoshop test to see this. There are videos on youtube where they show what a person would look like if they were symmetrical and some of the pics are startling.

The body's the same way. Not everyone has the same development on each side. A leg might be longer, an arm, etc which affects how it will respond to working out (torque equals force x perpendicular distance) which is why equally strong people can handle different loads depending on arm length. We see this with long arm OL vs short arm OL who do substantially better on the bench press. Sometimes, guys with a longer arm will have to do extra work on the longer arm to get the muscles to look symmetrical even though technically it means he's on purpose giving himself a strength imbalance.

It is a remarkably rare person who's body is as close to symmetrical as Arnold's is.

And yes, bodybuilders do tons of measurements to ensure symmetry as it's one of the categories for judging and a lack of symmetry is basically a fail, it's worth that much.

Even looking at his back, his development was remarkably similar. The slight differentiation is more a factor of where the light is coming from and the fact that he's facing his head to the right and his right elbow is slightly lower than the left. It's not perfect, but remarkably close. Note the slight lack of symmetry in his abdominal muscles. There's a slight raised offset on the left side.

Sorry, that's a long way to say, yeah, they do all of that and more.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Don't count Gronkowski out of a return quite yet; why he might come back and where he could land other than NE

Gronk in a Cowboys uniform? David Samson says it's possible

www.cbssports.com

Don't count Gronkowski out of a return quite yet; why he might come back and where he could land other than NE

Recently retired and former New England Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski has a big announcement coming Tuesday and David Samson discussed just what this might be on his podcast "Nothing Personal with David Samson." Samson believes stepping back from the game may have seemed like a good idea at the time for the character that is Gronk, but believes he misses the game. Oh and those nice paychecks too.

 

[CGI_Ram]

Bill Belichick is not interested in Rob Gronkowski's big announcement

Rob Gronkowski is teasing a big announcement, and that has many New England Patriots fans in a frenzy wondering if he may be ready to announce a comeback.

larrybrownsports.com

Bill Belichick is not interested in Rob Gronkowski’s big announcement

Rob Gronkowski is teasing a big announcement, and that has many New England Patriots fans in a frenzy wondering if he may be ready to announce a comeback.

Bill Belichick is not in a frenzy. He is in the total opposite of a frenzy.

Belichick was asked Monday — presumably tongue-in-cheek — if he would be monitoring social media for the big announcement Gronkowski teased earlier in the day. Belichick’s response was more or less exactly what you would expect.


View: https://twitter.com/mikereiss/status/1196564064685699074?s=21



View: https://twitter.com/mikereiss/status/1196564616358350850?s=21

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Bill Belichick is not interested in Rob Gronkowski's big announcement

Rob Gronkowski is teasing a big announcement, and that has many New England Patriots fans in a frenzy wondering if he may be ready to announce a comeback.

larrybrownsports.com

Bill Belichick is not interested in Rob Gronkowski’s big announcement

Rob Gronkowski is teasing a big announcement, and that has many New England Patriots fans in a frenzy wondering if he may be ready to announce a comeback.

Bill Belichick is not in a frenzy. He is in the total opposite of a frenzy.

Belichick was asked Monday — presumably tongue-in-cheek — if he would be monitoring social media for the big announcement Gronkowski teased earlier in the day. Belichick’s response was more or less exactly what you would expect.


View: https://twitter.com/mikereiss/status/1196564064685699074?s=21



View: https://twitter.com/mikereiss/status/1196564616358350850?s=21

That is a misleading title. He never said that he is not interested.


I wonder how well Gronkowski can play after taking 9 months off. He looks thinner already.

 

[Mackeyser]

Yeah, he looks like he’s dropped 30 lbs or more. There are receivers bigger than him now.

 

[kurtfaulk]

.

he's just gonna be hyping up some shit event he's associated with in the near future. he's off the juice and he ain't coming back.

this is purely a guess based on the headlines i've seen. i wouldn't actually read anything about that guy.

.

 

[LesBaker]

Actually, yeah, kinda. More typically, it's a tape measure around the whole muscle group, but yeah, when it comes to certain back muscle groups, yeah, they actually do use calipers or other measuring devices and then structure future workouts to get the body as symmetrical as possible.

One of the things bodybuilders will tell you is that three things go into making a bodybuilding champion: genetics, hard work and supplementation (up to and including HGH, roids, insulin (old days), myostatin blockers, etc)

What genetics does for a bodybuilder is to define what the shape of a muscle will be once it is built up. NO amount of supplementation can change that and hard work can only go so far.

For example, some current bodybuilders have Steinerism or a "chest gap" See this image of Terry Crews

Now look at this pic of Arnold

Arnold's chest is MASSIVE and yet his entire sternum is covered. Part of that was a different workout regimen. Arnold was a power lifter first and switched to bodybuilding, so he focused on heavy weight for mass and regulated his workouts to include rest. He was very mindful not to overwork the muscles which allowed him to fully augment his musculature while avoiding modern issues like Steinerism, belly bloat and other issues common today. Now, whether it's caused by insulin use, overwork or injury (all things which could deteriorate the medial pectoral nerve), it's an issue. The wrestler, Steiner, apparently also had a serious lung injury which required surgeons to crack his chest open and it looks like he didn't let the nerves get deep enough into the muscle before resuming lifting. Had he waited a year to resume lifting, it might not have been that exaggerated.

Some people naturally have a degree of it just based on where the muscle attaches to the sternum.

Also, look at anyone's face. It's asymmetrical. You can do a simply photoshop test to see this. There are videos on youtube where they show what a person would look like if they were symmetrical and some of the pics are startling.

The body's the same way. Not everyone has the same development on each side. A leg might be longer, an arm, etc which affects how it will respond to working out (torque equals force x perpendicular distance) which is why equally strong people can handle different loads depending on arm length. We see this with long arm OL vs short arm OL who do substantially better on the bench press. Sometimes, guys with a longer arm will have to do extra work on the longer arm to get the muscles to look symmetrical even though technically it means he's on purpose giving himself a strength imbalance.

It is a remarkably rare person who's body is as close to symmetrical as Arnold's is.

And yes, bodybuilders do tons of measurements to ensure symmetry as it's one of the categories for judging and a lack of symmetry is basically a fail, it's worth that much.

Even looking at his back, his development was remarkably similar. The slight differentiation is more a factor of where the light is coming from and the fact that he's facing his head to the right and his right elbow is slightly lower than the left. It's not perfect, but remarkably close. Note the slight lack of symmetry in his abdominal muscles. There's a slight raised offset on the left side.

Sorry, that's a long way to say, yeah, they do all of that and more.

Arnold was just the best cheater in his day, that's why he won.

I wonder how well Gronkowski can play after taking 9 months off. He looks thinner already.

Yeah, he looks like he’s dropped 30 lbs or more. There are receivers bigger than him now.

Oh for sure, at least 30 pounds. Evidently he is off the juice and eating/drinking all natural and has become hyper focused on his health.