Executive order aims to limit NCAA athletes to 5 years, 1 transfer
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I think that's bullshit. Life comes hard at people, and we don't know the reasons why a player would feel the need to transfer.
How about politicians keep their fucking fingers out of sports, eh? It took a half century - more, even - for players to get any rights, and now people who are not even remotely involved in the NCAA are pushing them back to that era.
As much as I don't like this kind of action by any president the fact that some people are playing college football for 7 8 or 9 years like is happening now is pretty idiotic.
And here I thought Executive Orders were being overused before. And that’s not being political. I think they’re overused by all Presidents over the past couple decades.
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They should at least limit the number of transfers where you don't have to sit out a year like they used to do yrars ago.
You are doing no favors allowing kids to transfer 3 or 4 times or more. The majority of kids won't make the NFL and the chances that they end up graduating after 3 transfers are next to zero.
fearsomefour
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I think it depends on the reason.....a redshirt year? sure.....a grey shirt (injury) year? sure.....that gets you to six.
Unless it became a common misused tactic to stack talent, I don't mind it really.
Disagree. For example, Keagan Trost, the kid we picked in the third round, was a seven-year man and graduate transfer (already completed his studies and graduated, to be specific) and went to four different schools. If not for this year at Missouri, where he finally got to show off what he was capable of, he's likely a UDFA. Redshirt seniors/graduate transfers take either five, six, or even seven years to stay in school, and without those good later years, they likely don't get drafted.
Talent is talent. Some players are late bloomers, and we don't know all the reasons why players transfer and pick the schools to transfer to (and to be honest, it's none of our business to know; that's up to the players).
Okay, now do the other 90% of kids who transfer who barely sniff the NFL or NBA and get no shot or are out of the league in a year. No NFL/NBA, no degree, now what?
A large portion of those "90%" are graduate transfers: they've already completed their studies at a school they've been in, and they have a degree - or more - to fall back on. Another portion of those transfers manage to complete their studies at their new school along with their sports. They know that they won't have a sports career but want to continue playing for as long as they can.
Again, we don't know the reasons why student-athletes transfer. Homesickness, wanting to be closer to family, wanting playing time, wanting to follow a coach they believe in, wanting to get out of a bad situation, etc. Same reason why some students who are just regular people who don't even play sports will move to other colleges, sometimes even multiple times. Do they not have a choice? We do not know why young adults move from school to school, and frankly, despite all of the reasons I gave, it is none of our business to know, unless the young adult specifies it.
And if they struggle and don't have a degree, what makes it our business - or anyone's business aside from theirs, for that matter? They made their own choices willingly, they have consequences, and they were legal adults when they made those choices. What should it matter to you and me? Yes, college people can get specific jobs, but the world has - and frankly needs - workers who make their careers with no college experience. Why should that matter to you and me? It's not our lives; it's theirs.
I do not like that politicians, regardless of party, want to send these students back to the Stone Age they just got out of. It is none of their business, not in their expertise, and they can keep their fat fingers out of sports and "stick to politics".
And aside from that, it sends a dangerous message: what about those students who don't play sports? Are they not allowed to move between schools either? And what of the coaches who aren't fired, but move from school to school for a better job - or a better paying job - and leaving the young men/women they recruited behind without remorse? Are they in that category, too, or is it just the students? And are teachers also part of that category as well? Again, it sets a dangerous precedence and gives a dangerous message to every college campus that is even worse than the free-for-all it is now.
I'm not at all saying that NIL is perfect, but it's infinitely better than what the government wants to do with this executive order - that they have no Constitutional right (because it's been smacked down by the SCOTUS before based on those grounds) or business doing.
fearsomefour
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Its called consequences of choices.
College coaches are liars by trade. They endlessly lie to nearly every kid they recruit.
No one is forcing these kids to go to one school over another or to transfer. No one is forcing a kid to play sports in college or chase a professional career that way less than 1% will ever sniff regardless of talent.
So, are kids manipulated? Yes.
Is it anyone else's issue if they end up without a degree and not playing pro sports? No
Go back to school or get a job.
Do you watch college basketball? There are players that have played for 4 schools in 4 yrs and these are not NBA players. It's a pay for play scheme now and kids just jump from school to school. There is no way these kids have any shot of getting a degree by doing this. And many of these kids come from nothing, where a degree can change their lives. That's my point.
The adults in the NCAA set up rules to help the supposed "student athlete". If they are doing their jobs, they would put guardrails in place to help guide 18, 19 and 20 yr olds to better outcomes.
No, I don't really watch college basketball - or basketball period - even Mizzou, I'll admit. My focus in on sports like football, baseball and hockey - and I don't even really watch the latter two at the college level, unless it's for potential draft picks and signings.
But seriously, why criticize players who want to play sports? Why criticize them for wanting it over a degree? It's up to them and their choices; it's their lives, not ours. These are adults making conscious choices and receiving future consequences, not kids. It's up to them if they want a degree - and from what I've seen in football, baseball, and hockey, most of these players get degrees. It's none of our business to know why they want to transfer; hell, it's none of anyone's business except the players in question because there is often a myriad of reasons why they'd want to transfer between schools, even if it's multiple times.
Again, Keagen Trost is an example: he got his degree at Wake and was a graduate transfer at Missouri, even with moving between four schools in his career. It's not like he didn't take classes; he was a graduate transfer, someone who already had a degree. I'd say most of these young men and women take getting a degree seriously, take the phrase "student-athlete" seriously, and for those who don't, why criticize them for trying to go for their dreams, even if it all doesn't work out? Again, it's not our lives to worry about, not our consequences, but theirs, and it's not like not getting a degree means your life is over; there are plenty of reputable jobs that you can have without a degree (hell, I never even went to college, let alone got a degree, am disabled and can't work a normal job, and I'm still carving out a career as an authoress).
Why criticize players for transferring multiple times when coaches can jump between schools numerous times - often for much more selfish reasons than the players - and receive absolutely no consequences? Why criticize players when coaches can manipulate schools for extra money to put in their pockets to stay, leaving the players in a sort-of limbo, knowing their coach can leave any time he/she wants? It's the height of hypocrisy; players being criticized for marketing themselves for once (which the NCAA took full advantage of, using their likenesses for their profit in video games, in marketing, in branding, while screwing over the student-athletes), while coaches and ADs get off scot-free with all of their bullshit and lies to high schoolers (when they actually are kids who don't know better).
Even if it's a "pay-to-play", that's up to them, that's getting money for playing. If they don't make smart choices, that's on them, and it's frankly none of our business.
And this executive order opens up a ginormous can of worms: if they can prevent players from transferring between schools, what's to stop them from banning regular students from moving from school to school?
And my ultimate point remains: politicians - regardless of party - scream and whine about how sportspeople should "stick to sports", writers and author(esse)s "stick to writing", musicians "stick to music", various professions that should "stick with what they're good at". Maybe they should "stick to politics" and not sign executive orders to send players' rights back to the Stone Age, meddle where they shouldn't meddle, especially when the fucking SCOTUS has smacked down executive orders like this as unconstitutional.
We will have to agree to disagree. Universities have a lot of rules in place to help kids make good decisions. Afterall, this is about college where the main goal is to educate kids.
BTW, Kids dont have to go to college either, but if they do they should follow the rules in place that are there to make sure they have a chance of getting a degree. The wild wild west state of the current NCAA is not helping kids. I will leave it at that.
Fair enough. Agree to disagree, and I won't say more against you. Much respect, Philly.
I dont agree with an Executive Order but I do agree something needs to be done
Allowing more than 2 medical redshirt is silly
Allowing more than 2 medical redshirt is silly