I hear you, but at the right price he could be very effective returning kicks and/or punts, WR screens, and jet sweeps. Maybe not the same speed as in the day, but in a McVay offense, even a supplemental role, he could help.
Do we already have WR3?
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WestCoastRam
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When we originally brought in Robinson and the other guy (can't remember his name) we did it after OTA's and before camp. My guess is they were fine with what they saw at OTAs so we won't be bringing anyone in barring injury.
El Chapo Jr
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I think it's too early to know if they'll bring someone else in or not. They haven't even put on pads yet
Agreed. If he could come in here and keep his fuckin mouth shut, and focus on being a good teammate and winning a title, and if he could convince Coach and the Staff he's all in... I'd be fine with it.
But I have a strong dislike for that MFer.
That is two too many of IFs.
You must have misinterpreted my post. I wasn't suggesting we rely on CJ Daniels. Simply pointed out, as Rams fans, we could watch one of our draft picks in a game from last October.Relying on a rookie to ball out in his first year is asking a lot. For every Puka, there's a lot more Mumpfields out there. I highly doubt CJ Daniels will play a huge role in our offense year 1. I think he's more of a developmental project. I hope I'm completely wrong about this by the way
On one hand you don't want to rely on "last year's numbers" when it comes to how successful 13P will be. On the other hand, you want to evaluate our existing #3 - 5 WRs, based on last year's performance?
Vet WRs available? Tyreek Hill, Deebo and Diggs are all projected to command over 20 mil per year. Cheaper options? D Hop. Theilen. Keenan Allen. Josh Reynolds. They're out there if the Rams believe they need one.
Homerism involved in projections? I suppose, to a degree.
No Negative Nancyism involved in criticisms?
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We've seen them show up in big games though, hence my reference for that Seahawks Thursday night game. Xavier Smith had a 40 yard catch, Mumpfield had multiple catches.
And here's the thing - almost no team has a starting caliber third WR. Its just a really bizarre thing to fixate on to me.
No homerism here - I don't think any of them are great. But I think all of them are similar to Van Jefferson, who has shown to be a complete and total JAG that happened to have an 800 yard 6 TD season as our third WR. Van is a one trick pony who is a classic body catcher.
Outside of that 800 yard season, he's had 220, 369, 108 (we phased him completely out), 101, 276, 350 - and a combined total of 7 TDs.
If THAT guy could be a serviceable WR3 - I would wager he had more yards than most third WRs that year (and he was the third WR - the combined total of Woods/OBJ out did what Jefferson did) - and he has proven to be the definition of a JAG, then we are totally fine at WR here.
The only reason that was a bit more of a need is anticipating that Davante wouldn't be here next year - but that can be said for QB and OL across the board as well.
I don’t see a vet WR out there who is going to take a vet minimum, not be a cancer and be better than what we have in house. To get what would replace Puka of Davonte for a short period they are either $20 mil+ or divas I want no part of.
If Allen wants to join us for a reasonable price, I think he could help but he’s not replacing Puka. He might get it done as #2 for a game or two but is he going to have the chemistry with Stafford?
I think LT is WAY more of a problem than WR3
If Allen wants to join us for a reasonable price, I think he could help but he’s not replacing Puka. He might get it done as #2 for a game or two but is he going to have the chemistry with Stafford?
I think LT is WAY more of a problem than WR3
LARAMSinFeb.
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There was a long period between the Whit acquisition and the Avila pick where OL was kind of ignored or taken for granted. I doubt McSnead are lapsing, but the precedent is there.
I don't know if they "ignored" it but rather they didn't approach it like fans wanted/expected them to approach it. I remember the hubbub after the 2020 season. "We need a C and we passed on Creed Humphrey!!! What a bunch of dumb fucks!!!!"
The Rams front office said, "we have our C in house". Lo and behold, we win a Super Bowl with Brian Allen at C. Ironically, it was the only season (of 6) that he was healthy enough to start more than 9 games. I know McVay and Snead aren't idiots. They know the importance of O & D lines. They just don't go about it the way fans think they should.
In 10 drafts they've drafted 13 OL. 3 were with their very first selection (Noteboom, Bruss, Avila), albeit 2 of those were in the 3rd round. 4 were drafted in the top 100, including one this year (Noteboom, Evans, Avila, Trost). 4 were drafted past pick 200 and 1 started 14 games as a rookie (Limmer). 5 were drafted between picks 100 and 200 and 3 of them were starters (Allen, Edwards, McClendon).
I can't say they ignored OL but I do question the scouting of some of them. It also brings the question, "how good have their OL coaches been?". Obviously, everyone seems to be happy with Wendell.
WestCoastRam
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I think it's really unlikely unless there's injury but not out of the realm.
If Rams had concerns after OTA's they'd do it now. I'd argue it's not about pads being on, it's about getting an inkling while the offense is being installed how people are looking. Camp is the second and final time the offense is being installed, you'd want new guys in for that generally at the latests.
Bringing them in after the installation causes a whole host of problems but still can be done.
Correction, Hill, Diggs and Deebo thought they were still worth $20m a year. Obviously it ain't gonna happen. I think any will be lucky to get a 1 year deal worth more than $8m. Guess they're not as valuable as they thought.
It is interesting. Traits that the Rams organization looks for in football players is likely the reason why we rolled with Brian Allen (Sullivan/Allen/Shelton have been the main centers here, and that would seem to point to a preference on the mental side), why we traded Goff, traded Ernest Jones and did or did not draft a slew of players.
WR3 is a good example too - we often take the mental side for granted, but it is NOT easy to be a WR in this offense. It is entirely possible even a first round WR would be behind our young vets for that reason. Its not a guarantee - but the only two WRs to really make a splash as rookies are Kupp, who has an extraordinary mind for a WR, and Puka, which was born out of necessity with injuries. And both of them are great run blockers too.
LARAMSinFeb.
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I think fans have been pretty happy with the OL emphasis since the 2023 Avila draft. We also struck some gold too though.
I think there was a shift in run philosophy and things since then also though?
Well under Mcvay ,Zak Kromer has been there since Day 1.Dickerson was a good assistant coach as well.
Brian Allen is helping out & (Musch ,Bruce ??) has been a good O”Line coach from time to time.I’d say on Wednesdays ?? I like the growth of the young players.Wyatt Bowles is a player I’m interested in watching improve.
Trost is a big time Draft Pick in that 3/4 rd player that should be a starter sooner(next season) than later.
And none of them believe they are a #3 WR. Diggs came out and said, "I'm the best #2 in the NFL".
I think we all know that has become the prerequisite for a McVay WR. I watched the Miami/FSU game from last October. Daniels had a deep reception where he got behind a CB who supposedly was great in coverage downfield. He caught a TD pass. And he took a WR screen to the house (15 yards?). Miami played a lot in condensed formations and CJ blocked quite well. I'm not saying the kid is going to come in and contribute right away but he will at some point IMO, because he can block and he's experienced. I suppose they also like his football intelligence, which seems to be another prerequisite.
El Chapo Jr
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No it isn't negative Nancy ism just sensitivity if you see it that way imo. I'm just being realistic vs hopefully optimistic. People like kool aid and honestly there's nothing wrong with that at all so don't think I'm saying it like its a bad thing. I'm just not that way at all obviously. Yes its actually normal to say you can't rely on last year's results to just instantly translate to the following year. McVay himself has stated that each year is different so that isn't earth shattering. Unfortunately, as far as looking at past production for our young guys, its all we have to go off for them and speculate off of so yeah it makes sense to say they are unproven based on that as the sample size is so small. As far as the vets, I'm honestly not pulling for one over another and would love to have another one there to boost our WR core IF deemed as needed. I think we need it but its whatever the Rams think they need that matters. Its obviously extremely early to even know but we'll get more answers after training camp is over plus the trimming of the roster.
El Chapo Jr
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Agree with this assessment of Daniels, potential is definitely there. Rams have basically added to the team for now and the future. That can change if a player shows more than expected and personally I hope they do, I just never bank on it. Besides if you don't bank on it, it makes it more exciting for me cuz its like oh shit, this dude is amazing lol
So it's not negative Nancy-ism to be critical but it certainly is homerism to be positive?
You're calling your take "realistic" yet you claim, when talking about 13P and how it may produce in 2026, "No guarantee those numbers will remain the same so using last year's number don't mean much.".......and your logic includes, " you bet your ass teams will adjust". In other words, McVay isn't going to do anything? Isn't going to change anything? Isn't going to adjust his 13P? Guess he's been sitting around with his thumb up his ass since the end of the season?
.....on the other hand, you claim, "Whittington isn't going to improve much, he's a JAG for sure and we know what we have in him. Smith showed deep ball ability but not much else in my opinion so TBD there but he's a small dude so not a fan of that part necessarily. Mumpfield was meh last year but he can improve but I'm not banking on it being a crazy improvement personally but hope I'm surprised there." And all that is opinion, based on last year's performance, right? So one side of this discussion can't use last year's performance to make their point but you can use it to make yours? What's that called?
Not a bit of Negative-Nancy-ism there, eh?
Things can't change right? Guys don't develop from one year to the next? It's okay to write off last years performance in 13P because "teams will adjust" and we're stuck between a rock and a hard place because Whittington has been a jag and will always be a jag. So will Xavier. Mumpfield, you claim can improve but you're not banking on it being a crazy improvement.
As far as CJ Daniels (or Klare) are concerned there this take...."CJ Daniels is a rookie so I'm not expecting anything at all because well he's a rookie lol. So basically you've proven my point that they are all basically unproven. Lastly banking on Klare to all of a sudden ball out as a rookie is a stretch to me." Nobody said anything about banking on those 2 and that is what's realistic. Of course there's the FACT McVay has a history of finding WRs on day two or later who perform far beyond expectations as a rookie. No chance of that happening again?
The #1 offense in the NFL featured 4 quality TEs, 2 top notch WRs, a couple of dynamite RBs but damn man, that #3 WR is what we're really missing!!! We were missing it last year too, which is probably why we used 3 of them to be the #3 WR. Of course that's probably outside the box thinking that goes unnoticed.
No, I believe there is a lot of Negative-Nancy-ism involved with your take. At least as much as optimism in the other side of the discussion's take. I can only suggest, "hell we were #1 without an identifiable #3 WR last year so what's changed?"
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