Covid 19 thread

[XXXIVwin]

Four score and seven years ago....

 

[1maGoh]

Call me too cautious, but baiting mods seems like an unwise choice.

 

[XXXIVwin]

Call me too cautious, but baiting mods seems like an unwise choice.

I’ll trust the mods to tell the difference between crossing the line and lighthearted wiseass humor.

 

[den-the-coach]

There is only one way out of this and it's a vaccine, I know that Regeneron & Johnson & Johnson are getting closer, but societies will not be able to return to normalcy until you are protected or they come up with something that is able to protect you.

We have been wearing masks for a while and I'm now working from home virtually as is my wife as we continue not to trust going out in public until the numbers showcase otherwise.

 

[Mojo Ram]

It’s really a crying shame we can’t get REAL unbiased News these days on a everyday basis, nope either it’s slanted to one jackass side or the other.

The extinction of Independent news from our television sets is far less of a mystery than the extinction of the dinosaurs from our planet.

 

[Dieter the Brock]

Four score and seven years ago....

Twas brillig, and the slithy toves, Did gyre and gimble in the wabe....

Oh wait

 

[XXXIVwin]

Final thought, even though I have serious doubts on makeshift masks, even though I live in a County that has lifted the mandatory use, I still wear them while shopping for whatever just as a courtesy to ease those who’ve been gripped with fear.

To not do so would be non courteous thru my POV, I think most people get the point wearing a mask lessons (tho exactly how much is debate) still lessons you affecting those around you

Hey OC, even though we probably don’t agree on many things, I’m singling u out for a question because u seem so even handed and reasonable.
My question is... does it bother u to see people attending indoor rallies in Tulsa and Arizona without any social distancing, and where 90 percent or more of the attendees are not wearing masks?

I agree that the science around the wearing of masks is at least “debatable”. I think it probably lessens risk of transmission, but whether it has a large impact or a small one is an open question.

I personally hate wearing masks, but I do it anyway in public places. To me, the thought of not wearing a mask in a crowded indoor arena just seems like stubbornly taking needless risk in order to prove a point. I just don’t get it.

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Hey OC, even though we probably don’t agree on many things, I’m singling u out for a question because u seem so even handed and reasonable.
My question is... does it bother u to see people attending indoor rallies in Tulsa and Arizona without any social distancing, and where 90 percent or more of the attendees are not wearing masks?

I agree that the science around the wearing of masks is at least “debatable”. I think it probably lessens risk of transmission, but whether it has a large impact or a small one is an open question.

I personally hate wearing masks, but I do it anyway in public places. To me, the thought of not wearing a mask in a crowded indoor arena just seems like stubbornly taking needless risk in order to prove a point. I just don’t get it.

Does it bother me? If I’m being honest then no it doesn’t
On the surface I’d categorize it as very careless considering the circumstances

But I do have a problem when our 78 year old national expert went on several shows early March I believe preaching in detail how wearing masks could actually backfire and cause one to contract a virus

78 years old for Christ’s sake, you’d think that’s one thing he’d be 100% competent at, yet 2 months later with 50 plus years in the biz As a certified expert, he flips his advice

He reasons are well documented and being I’m pecking this off an iPad ill keep it short

At the end of the day was he lying (reason is irrelevant, if you lie about this you’ll lie about that) in March or was he just wrong...liar or incompetent?

l damn sure don’t speak for all, but I feel we really need a more confidence inspiring lead man than Fauci

It wouldn’t surprise me if I wasn’t the only one who thinks this guy is sketchy, weak excuse for the indoor gathering but apparently they either are really stupid (yeah, yeah but I don’t buy it) or they don’t have much confidence in how things are handled

Its good we can talk civil, Clearly after reading many of your posts we’re 180 degrees apart on many ”things”....now as far as Les an Mack are concerned...lol, just kidding, it’s good we can disagree without the butthurt

Cheers!

Edit: while I might have reservations on certain aspects of cloth masks, I have Zero reservations on social distancing, Orange County is very well populated and we’ve been on the SD thing very early on, things are alright here to date

 

[XXXIVwin]

Does it bother me? If I’m being honest then no it doesn’t
On the surface I’d categorize it as very careless considering the circumstances

But I do have a problem when our 78 year old national expert went on several shows early March I believe preaching in detail how wearing masks could actually backfire and cause one to contract a virus

78 years old for Christ’s sake, you’d think that’s one thing he’d be 100% competent at, yet 2 months later with 50 plus years in the biz As a certified expert, he flips his advice

He reasons are well documented and being I’m pecking this off an iPad ill keep it short

At the end of the day was he lying (reason is irrelevant, if you lie about this you’ll lie about that) in March or was he just wrong...liar or incompetent?

l damn sure don’t speak for all, but I feel we really need a more confidence inspiring lead man than Fauci

It wouldn’t surprise me if I wasn’t the only one who thinks this guy is sketchy, weak excuse for the indoor gathering but apparently they either are really stupid (yeah, yeah but I don’t buy it) or they don’t have much confidence in how things are handled

Its good we can talk civil, Clearly after reading many of your posts we’re 180 degrees apart on many ”thing” now as far as Les an Mack are concerned...lol, just kidding, it’s good we can disagree without the butthurt

Cheers!

Lol, thanks for the straightforward reply.

"we can disagree without the butthurt".... Brilliant! That should be a new campaign slogan!

Again, thanks for the honesty. You wrote:
"Does it bother me? If I’m being honest then no it doesn’t
On the surface I’d categorize it as very careless considering the circumstances"

I guess we both consider it careless, but it bothers me more than it bothers you. (For me, it bothers me not so much for the individual events, but for the implication that now millions of Americans will feel like they "should" gather in condensed groups without masks, which is the OPPOSITE of the smart thing to do, and I fear it will have severe consequences over the coming months).

As for Fauci... yeah, I wish he'd just own up to his "mistake." He claims that in March he SAID he didn't want Americans wearing masks because at the time there was an extreme scarcity of masks for front-line hospital workers. He didn't want the public to hoard masks when there were so few available to those who needed them most. So you're right, why couldn't he have just been honest about it at the time, rather than lying about it?

Now that mask are cheap and easily available to everyone, Fauci (and just about every medical professional in the entire world) seems to think it's a good idea to wear masks in public. At worst it's a nuisance, at best it can save lives.

I still don't quite get what is accomplished by PURPOSEFULLY gathering in large indoor groups and ignoring social distancing and refusing to wear masks. As you would say, it seems "very careless given the circumstances."

 

[OC--LeftCoast]

Lol, thanks for the straightforward reply.

"we can disagree without the butthurt".... Brilliant! That should be a new campaign slogan!

Again, thanks for the honesty. You wrote:
"Does it bother me? If I’m being honest then no it doesn’t
On the surface I’d categorize it as very careless considering the circumstances"

I guess we both consider it careless, but it bothers me more than it bothers you. (For me, it bothers me not so much for the individual events, but for the implication that now millions of Americans will feel like they "should" gather in condensed groups without masks, which is the OPPOSITE of the smart thing to do, and I fear it will have severe consequences over the coming months).

As for Fauci... yeah, I wish he'd just own up to his "mistake." He claims that in March he SAID he didn't want Americans wearing masks because at the time there was an extreme scarcity of masks for front-line hospital workers. He didn't want the public to hoard masks when there were so few available to those who needed them most. So you're right, why couldn't he have just been honest about it at the time, rather than lying about it?

Now that mask are cheap and easily available to everyone, Fauci (and just about every medical professional in the entire world) seems to think it's a good idea to wear masks in public. At worst it's a nuisance, at best it can save lives.

I still don't quite get what is accomplished by PURPOSEFULLY gathering in large indoor groups and ignoring social distancing and refusing to wear masks. As you would say, it seems "very careless given the circumstances."

Too damn dumb to execute blue font on an iPad so please read below this as such

Did you just go CNN on my quote? (Very careless...) Sigh, you left out the “on the surface...” C’mon Man!

alm:

You make very compelling points

Cheers

 

[12intheBox]

Thoughts on NY, NJ, and Conn imposing a Mandatory quarantine on travel from the highly infected states?

I suspect it’s gonna be a hot issue. Will be interesting to see how (or if) it’s enforced.

 

[VegasRam]

Thoughts on NY, NJ, and Conn imposing a Mandatory quarantine on travel from the highly infected states?

I suspect it’s gonna be a hot issue. Will be interesting to see how (or if) it’s enforced.

Yes it will, especially the how. Seems to me the barn door's been open for awhile now.
(Methinks someone needs to look like he's doing something right for a change).

 

[12intheBox]

curious if anyone’s opinion of this virus has changed at all over the last several months.

is it more serious than you originally thought? Not as big of a deal as you originally thought? We’re you right all along and we all should have just listened to you?

Does anyone actually change their mind about anything anymore or was that a thing of the past?

 

[den-the-coach]

Does anyone actually change their mind about anything anymore or was that a thing of the past?

At the office one of my colleagues in January said her father was providing her extra can goods because of the Coronavirus and I did inquire as to does your Dad really believe it's going to be bad? And she stated yes, but he always has said that about viruses in the past, however, this time her Dad was right.

So I guess at that time I did not think it was going to be that big, but once Italy got hit I knew it was going to be major and being that my Grandfather was pronounced dead back in 1918 when he was 3 years of age with the Spanish Flu, before being revived there was a history for me to keep my eye on things like this, but I never thought it would last as long as it has and I don't believe we will be safe until a vaccine is available.

 

[Angry Ram]

curious if anyone’s opinion of this virus has changed at all over the last several months.

is it more serious than you originally thought? Not as big of a deal as you originally thought? We’re you right all along and we all should have just listened to you?

Does anyone actually change their mind about anything anymore or was that a thing of the past?

Well I was wrong on the longevity of it....I compared it to ebola.

I'm taking it more serious but I'm still not scared of it. I still think something is off about this whole thing. It just magically appeared in February? Like how many mass gatherings were happening in January all the way until the NBA was the first league to shut it down?

I hate how everything was knee-jerk reacted to. Quick fixes, throwing money at it, etc etc. Whatever, tho. The world will spin on.

 

[12intheBox]

How the Virus Won (Published 2021)

Invisible outbreaks sprang up everywhere. The United States ignored the warning signs. We reconstructed how the epidemic spun out of control.

www.nytimes.com

I thought this interactive map was a pretty good ‘splainer of how it spread in the US.

 

[fearsomefour]

Thoughts on NY, NJ, and Conn imposing a Mandatory quarantine on travel from the highly infected states?

I suspect it’s gonna be a hot issue. Will be interesting to see how (or if) it’s enforced.

They (NY, NJ) are the highly infected states. Haha.
I could certainly be wrong but I don’t think a governor has a right to restrict travel between states.

 

[fearsomefour]

Well I was wrong on the longevity of it....I compared it to ebola.

I'm taking it more serious but I'm still not scared of it. I still think something is off about this whole thing. It just magically appeared in February? Like how many mass gatherings were happening in January all the way until the NBA was the first league to shut it down?

I hate how everything was knee-jerk reacted to. Quick fixes, throwing money at it, etc etc. Whatever, tho. The world will spin on.

The exact timing is very, very telling.

 

[fearsomefour]

curious if anyone’s opinion of this virus has changed at all over the last several months.

is it more serious than you originally thought? Not as big of a deal as you originally thought? We’re you right all along and we all should have just listened to you?

Does anyone actually change their mind about anything anymore or was that a thing of the past?

My opinion has changed.
Much less serious for most people.