Colin Cowherd Was Wrong?

[Steve808]

Sorry, I have no link, but I distinctly recall Colin stating (at the time) that the Rams should draft Sam Bradford over Ndamukong Suh because when the game is on the line, an elite QB will be able to deliver a game winning drive whereas as DT can only do so much. Of course, Colin may have changed his attitude and opinion now that he's seen what Mr. Donald can do. I can recall numerous games where AD ended the game or caused so much destruction that the game went to the Rams. The NFCCG and the SB come to mind. Of course, we also needed Stafford and company, but AD is just a game wrecker and I'm glad he's under contract for the Rams for more years.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

If a team needs a QB and there is a good one on the board then take the QB every time. You cannot win without scoring any points.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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Bradford was the pick 100%. It's not his fault the Rams did zero to help him out.

Horrible oline, horrible wrs, horrible coaches. Even then when he was on the cusp of breaking out his knee gave out on him.

Unlucky.

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[tempests]

It is interesting to look back at the 2010 draft. At no. 1, the Rams went with the top prospect at the game's most valuable position. It's hard to argue. There was bad luck combined with an inability to build around him.

One could also argue there were many talented players in the first round that year, some borderline HOFers, and that the Rams needed help at virtually every position. The four players who went directly after Bradford all went to at least five Pro Bowls.

Rams did OK going Bradford, then Saffold with their first two picks. But after that...yeesh. Jerome Murphy, Marty Gilyard, "Illinois Mike", then Fendi Onobun. Everson Griffen went one pick after Gilyard, and Kam Chancellor one pick after Hoomananawui. I remember, I hated the way the Rams addressed TE in that draft. It might've been the weakest position on the offense. They passed on five or six more talented prospects before the two they did take, produced nothing.

Meanwhile the Seahawks came away with Earl Thomas, Chancellor, Russell Okung, and Golden Taint, setting them up for the next few years.

Pro Football Reference still regards Suh as being the most valuable player in the 2010 draft. He is never hurt and usually reasonably productive as a player. Still, I wonder how his career will be looked at when he comes up for HOF eligibility. He came into the league with a massive amount of hype, was hugely productive in college. Came in like he was going to dominate the league his first year. At least with the Lions, he was one of the league's top defensive lineman. Ever since he went to Miami, it feels like he's been a good but not great player. 70 career sacks, five Pro Bowls....that may not be enough to get him into the Hall.

AD99 was the best player in his draft and undoubtedly would've gone no 1 overall if teams knew what he was going to become. He has changed the way people look at DTs. I would still be leery about drafting one ahead of a top QB. There were a lot of high profile busts at D tackle before Suh came into the league. I remember one scout saying, that defensive tackle was difficult to evaluate at the college level, and that teams do more projecting than they would at other positions.

AD is what he is, a generational talent, but even with top defensive tackle prospects in future drafts, I think you have to accept none of them are going to be Aaron Donald, but something less.

 

[So Ram]

Sorry, I have no link, but I distinctly recall Colin stating (at the time) that the Rams should draft Sam Bradford over Ndamukong Suh because when the game is on the line, an elite QB will be able to deliver a game winning drive whereas as DT can only do so much. Of course, Colin may have changed his attitude and opinion now that he's seen what Mr. Donald can do. I can recall numerous games where AD ended the game or caused so much destruction that the game went to the Rams. The NFCCG and the SB come to mind. Of course, we also needed Stafford and company, but AD is just a game wrecker and I'm glad he's under contract for the Rams for more years.

Well Sam Bradford would have been better throwing to a Cooper Kupp than a rookie Brian Quick that Jeff Fisher & Les Snead provided him.

Add Von Miller had won a SuperBowl or 2 ? At least was a SuperBowl MVP & was a big part of helping on one of those plays were AD99 almost gave up on. —Was funny on a sack AD99 saw QB & was like a Bull seeing red.

Snead & Fisher then trade for another #1 QB & Nick Foles ends up winning a SuperBowl MVP & beating Tom Brady.

Well The Rams got Detroit’s #1 draft pick QB & won a SuperBowl. They also had SUh & went to a SuperBowl which, I’ll always say might have won it all without that John Sullivan bs holding call.

 

[So Ram]

Also have to say Cory Littleton had Gronk 3 times in a row from 35 yards out. Same play & there were 3 Rams guarding him on the last time on 3rd down.Brady hits a Gronk for that 10-3 TD ?
I saw Chris Collinsworth & Rich Eisen ? & Belacheat is breaking the players down on Top 100 greatest NFL players of all time & that play got shown.

Brings me back to Collinsworth over & over saying how great A.Robinson was & Cinncy couldn’t run the ball on him.

 

[PARAM]

Like the gnome said, you take the QB. Every time. IIRC, the argument for Suh was based on "a once in a generation DT, who can have a huge affect on a game". That didn't turn out like most thought. Instead, there was a better "once in a generation" DT taken 4 years later who fulfilled that "huge affect on a game". And he was drafted outside the top 10.

 

[fanotodd]

If a team needs a QB and there is a good one on the board then take the QB every time. You cannot win without scoring any points.

The key word being, “need.”
QBs are drafted early and often. You simply HAVE to have a decent one to even stand a chance. He has the ball in his hands every play ( trick plays aside).

Like any other player/position, it’s a crapshoot. But it really stings when you get it wrong, especially if it’s a habit. See browns.

 

[Loyal]

I think what people forget that the Rams were particularly bad at picking DT's in the draft. We were getting run on by everyone it seemed. It was like a wound that would not heal, and Suh seemed like THE answer to the question. Bradford was injured at Oklahoma and we all hoped he'd be the guy, but didn't know. DT was a position of need until AD came along, and we even valued him less than Greg Robinson (ugh)

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

I think what people forget that the Rams were particularly bad at picking DT's in the draft. We were getting run on by everyone it seemed. It was like a wound that would not heal, and Suh seemed like THE answer to the question. Bradford was injured at Oklahoma and we all hoped he'd be the guy, but didn't know. DT was a position of need until AD came along, and we even valued him less than Greg Robinson (ugh)

Part of getting run on back then was that the Rams were always weak on the edge. The OLBs couldn’t tackle. Quinn was a pass rusher. Eventually they got Brockers, but even that didn’t help much. Guys like Laurenitis and Ogletree were not thumpers in the middle. The entire defense was a mess.

 

[nighttrain]

Part of getting run on back then was that the Rams were always weak on the edge. The OLBs couldn’t tackle. Quinn was a pass rusher. Eventually they got Brockers, but even that didn’t help much. Guys like Laurenitis and Ogletree were not thumpers in the middle. The entire defense was a mess.

that the players didn't perform has to be laid at the door of the coaching staff, some of those guys did very good after leaving the Rams.
train

 

[PARAM]

I think what people forget that the Rams were particularly bad at picking DT's in the draft. We were getting run on by everyone it seemed.

We were getting run on by everybody, not because of DTs as much as DCs like Larry Marmie, Jim Haslet and Ken Flajole!!!

 

[I like Rams]

Suh is not Donald. Can't even compare "what ifs".

 

[Loyal]

We were getting run on by everybody, not because of DTs as much as DCs like Larry Marmie, Jim Haslet and Ken Flajole!!!

There were several threads at the PD, speaking of our deficient DT’s athe time. The idea of getting. A great DT was and issue at the time, is what I’m saying.

 

[den-the-coach]

All this time I thought the Rams drafted Ndamukong Suh...I don't remember anyone named Sam Bradford.

 

[Merlin]

I rooted hard for Bradford but once again he's part of that Rams QB equation that has taught me the importance of competitiveness at the most important position. Bradford was just another guy who wanted to collect his check. He was more than willing to trot off the field and let the punt team do their thing.

Watch Warner when he came in and every possession he played like it was a late game situation. It was just a different mentality altogether and as I look back on the position for us I hear Mike Martz talking about QBs needing to be the most competitive guy on the field.

This is why each year I watch the QBs coming out in the draft and look for that. Who's the guy who will have trouble sleeping if you beat him at monopoly, the ones who look pissed off when the punt team comes on, or who are fighting their ass off late in games when down big. That and decision making speed are the most important elements in a QB's makeup IMO.

 

[thirteen28]

My concern with Bradford coming out was his ability to stay healthy, and unfortunately, my fears proved out with him.

Also, I think a lot of people were seduced by how flashy he looked at Oklahoma, with a stout line in front of him and wide open receivers downfield all the time due to the talent mismatch that Oklahoma usually had working in its favor.

 

[PARAM]

There were several threads at the PD, speaking of our deficient DT’s athe time. The idea of getting. A great DT was and issue at the time, is what I’m saying.

I understand. Among fans. Getting OL in the 2020 and 2021 draft was an issue among fans too. Yet they rolled with what they had in house and won the Superbowl. Coaching...or more precise...poor coaching can make players look like bad draft picks. And good coaching can make them look like good draft picks.

And then there are some drafts without certain positions. Look at the 2008 and 2009 drafts and tell me the number of excellent DTs who were drafted. Not very many.

 

[ramsince62]

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Bradford was the pick 100%. It's not his fault the Rams did zero to help him out.

Horrible oline, horrible wrs, horrible coaches. Even then when he was on the cusp of breaking out his knee gave out on him.

Unlucky.

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Unlucky? He was made of glass.

 

[thirteen28]

I understand. Among fans. Getting OL in the 2020 and 2021 draft was an issue among fans too. Yet they rolled with what they had in house and won the Superbowl. Coaching...or more precise...poor coaching can make players look like bad draft picks. And good coaching can make them look like good draft pick

I really wonder what happened with Kromer. He did a great job of turning our OL around his first year here, and they were very good in his second year. They started falling off in the 3rd year, although injuries were part of that, but the 4th year, they just weren't that good and they were relatively healthy. Trying to shoehorn Boom into OG was part of the problem, and in general, the coaching performance for that group really seemed to fall off a cliff.