Chris Simms' Top 40 QB rankings

[thirteen28]

Bottom line,
Stafford Rules



... And Goff is more of a #20-25 guy off last season with a chance to move up this year
But he'll NEVER be Stafford

I think that's a great assessment.

Stafford is a HOF-level talent whose talent was obscured by playing more than a decade on a multi-generational bad franchise that hasn't won dick in the lifetime of even ROD's oldest members. Goff isn't close to being that good, but he is good enough that if you put a solid OL in front of him and some good skill players around him, he can at least get you to a Super Bowl, which he has actually proven by doing.

 

[Soul Surfer]

@ Rams on Demand community

BUY or SELL this?
I’m selling.

As long as I can remember, half the teams in the NFL are either rebuilding at QB, rebuilding in general, needing to replace an old quarterback, have a shaky QB that they're developing or would just plain like to upgrade.

Goff has playoff experience and play off wins including a Super Bowl on his resume and has operated complex offenses in this league.

He's also very durable and can get into a rhythm when protected.

I was just spitballing when I made that statement about half the teams in the NFL wouldn't mind having Goff on their team so I did some research and I'm going to stick with that story.

Carolina
Chicago
Seattle
Detroit
San Francisco
Washington
New York Giants
New York Jets
Miami Dolphins
Indianapolis Colts
Houston Texans
Cleveland Browns
Atlanta Falcons
New England
Tampa Bay Buccaneers Pittsburgh Steelers
New Orleans Saints all have a need for a Jared Goff in the next couple years, in my honest and yet extremely humble opinion.

 

[Flint]

I don’t mind these lists they give us something to talk about but I have an issue with ranking guys who haven’t really started significant games in the nfl. How many passes has Lance thrown? Not many. Is he better than Darnold? Probably, but based on what? Are you sure Pickett is better than Lock? Again, based on what? And then there are guys who haven’t played for reasons other than injury like Trubisky or Mariota. Trubisky in front of Goff or Tua?
It should be interesting to see where Stafford ends up though, the knock on him was all the talent in the world but can’t get it done when it matters in the big moments. Well all that went out the window this year with 9 tds 3 picks and a 108 passer rating in the playoffs.
Nobody wants to put Stafford in the same class as Rodgers, Brady or Allen but what are the reasons not to?

 

[thirteen28]

Nobody wants to put Stafford in the same class as Rodgers, Brady or Allen but what are the reasons not to?

With Brady, I think it's obvious. Dude has 7 rings with 2 different teams.

Rodgers has been around longer and been in more big games ... but has the same number of rings and same number of Super Bowls that Stafford has. And he hasn't come up big in the playoffs in quite a number of years. So I think it's mostly longevity in his case and the fact that Green Bay has been in the playoffs a lot and Rodgers has at least won some of those games, even if he hasn't been able to get back to the big one.

Allen ... I just don't know why. No doubt he's exceptionally talented and deserves to be highly ranked, but he still has yet to even win a divisional playoff game. I'm not ready to put him over Stafford at this point.

 

[Loyal]

With Brady, I think it's obvious. Dude has 7 rings with 2 different teams.

Rodgers has been around longer and been in more big games ... but has the same number of rings and same number of Super Bowls that Stafford has. And he hasn't come up big in the playoffs in quite a number of years. So I think it's mostly longevity in his case and the fact that Green Bay has been in the playoffs a lot and Rodgers has at least won some of those games, even if he hasn't been able to get back to the big one.

Allen ... I just don't know why. No doubt he's exceptionally talented and deserves to be highly ranked, but he still has yet to even win a divisional playoff game. I'm not ready to put him over Stafford at this point.

If you wanna troll a Green Bay Packers fan, you tell 'em that Stafford and Rodgers are roughly equal now in success.

It's fun for the whole family.

 

[thirteen28]

If you wanna troll a Green Bay Packers fan, you tell 'em that Stafford and Rodgers are roughly equal now in success.

It's fun for the whole family.

Well, if you make a visit to a Green Bay board the same way you did with Seattle boards, you definitely need to provide us with screenshots!

 

[sloramfan]

so where the f are the top seven?

go rams

slo

 

[MachS]

With Brady, I think it's obvious. Dude has 7 rings with 2 different teams.

Rodgers has been around longer and been in more big games ... but has the same number of rings and same number of Super Bowls that Stafford has. And he hasn't come up big in the playoffs in quite a number of years. So I think it's mostly longevity in his case and the fact that Green Bay has been in the playoffs a lot and Rodgers has at least won some of those games, even if he hasn't been able to get back to the big one.

Allen ... I just don't know why. No doubt he's exceptionally talented and deserves to be highly ranked, but he still has yet to even win a divisional playoff game. I'm not ready to put him over Stafford at this point.

Rodgers has 3 regular season MVPs so that plays a big part. Plus I think he's the all time leader in TD/INT ratio. He takes such good care of the ball, but I've noticed lately that can be to his detriment because he cares so much about not throwing INTs that he misses out on potential 50/50 plays a lot. But playoff performance is so important and what Stafford did this year in the postseason was legendary. Something Rodgers has never done. For the last decade Rodgers has actually played some of his worst football in the playoffs and I absolutely think that should be a factor. I'm interested to see what Simms does with these two rankings.

Allen is just the freak of all freaks that I dont think the NFL has ever seen before. I'd say he's the new era prototypical elite QB. But I dont think he reads defenses or manipulates them like Stafford does. No way not yet at least.

 

[Shuie3225]

so where the f are the top seven?

go rams

slo

I think he's been releasing them a few at a time over the last few weeks. I'll keep updating it as they go up.

 

[sloramfan]

thanks shule..

go rams

slo

 

[FrantikRam]

But Stafford had shit around him for years. Awful teams.

You can't say that about Dak, you can't say that about Cousins, you can't say that about Mayfield, etc. etc. Dak has actually had some solid teams around him. Mayfield, as I mentioned, had OBJ (as well as Jarvis Landry), and with us OBJ all but proved that between him and Baker that the latter was the problem. Cousins on at least one occasion had at least a playoff worthy team around him and choked in a regular season finale that kept his team out - and that was WITH McVay as his OC.

Thus, comparing Stafford's situation to the others is a rotten apples to fresh oranges comparison. Stafford was a good QB on a bad team. Those other guys? Stafford would have done better than any of them in the same situation.

Ah but see the problem there is that some......and some on this site.....pointed to "but but but MEGATRON!!!" It's pretty much the same argument.

The Cowboys last good coach was......?

We will see what Cousins does this year with a good coach. Zimmer was really bad last year and held that offense back.

I don't think they're as good as Stafford, but they are clearly better than Goff. I merely brought up Stafford because we are making the mistake of assigning team success to a QB even though we just went through this with Stafford one year ago at this time.

 

[Flint]

With Brady, I think it's obvious. Dude has 7 rings with 2 different teams.

Rodgers has been around longer and been in more big games ... but has the same number of rings and same number of Super Bowls that Stafford has. And he hasn't come up big in the playoffs in quite a number of years. So I think it's mostly longevity in his case and the fact that Green Bay has been in the playoffs a lot and Rodgers has at least won some of those games, even if he hasn't been able to get back to the big one.

Allen ... I just don't know why. No doubt he's exceptionally talented and deserves to be highly ranked, but he still has yet to even win a divisional playoff game. I'm not ready to put him over Stafford at this point.

Brady and Rodgers are hall of famers but this shouldn’t be a lifetime achievement situation. Rodgers has had his chances but has little to show for it and Brady should be thanking the Rams for the 4th quarter of the nfcc game cuz he looked pretty ordinary for the first 3.
There’s no doubt Allen’s a specimen, he’s huge and fast with a big arm, but a year ago people were wondering if he’d ever be more than an amazing athlete playing qb and now he’s the 2nd best qb in the league ?

 

[OregonRamsFan]

30 is a bit low, though, when you have dipshits like Mariota ahead of him.

Why all the Mariota hate? With the right system I think he might surprise a few people. He was great at Oregon, lots of fun to watch.

 

[thirteen28]

I don't think they're as good as Stafford, but they are clearly better than Goff. I merely brought up Stafford because we are making the mistake of assigning team success to a QB even though we just went through this with Stafford one year ago at this time.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the last part of your first statement. Cousins actually HAD McVay as his OC one year, and choked with a chance to get to the playoffs - and it was largely on him, not the rest of the team. And then he turned around and took over a team that Case Keenum had taken to the NFC Championship and they don't even make the playoffs. One playoff win in his career on some talented teams (and much more talented than Stafford ever had in Detroit, which over the last 5 decades or so is even worse than the Browns). Both a playoff-worthy Redskin team came up short with him, and the Vikings have underachieved as well. You wouldn't excuse Goff in such a situation, so at some point you've got to be consistent and admit that it's Cousins that is the one who's coming up short.

Dak's coaches may not have been HOF level like McVay, but they weren't terrible either and he had a ton of talent around him. As dieter mentioned, he had the NFL rushing leader for 3 seasons, not to mention good WRs and the horses up front. Dak hasn't been able to make the plays when he needed to.

Mayfield had plenty of talent around him in Cleveland - OBJ, Landry and a good RB in Chubb. What did he do with it? Not enough to even get a 2nd contract and also only one playoff win and one playoff appearance. Mayfield has trouble making the plays even in the regular season.

Goff certainly had his struggles in his final two years with the Rams, but I can't see Dak, Cousins, or Mayfield doing any better than he did put in the exact same situation. Dak would have been the best of that bunch, but I can see Cousins and Mayfield shitting the bed much worse than Goff did because they have shown they can shit the bed with even more talent around them and with decent coaches and coordinators.

 

[OregonRamsFan]

Yea it's the old discussion of overall talent vs clutch gene. Rodgers has more natural talent than Stafford but he's not more clutch. So how does that shake out? Mahomes should be number 1. But I'm interested in Wilson, Burrow, and Herbert rankings because Simms LOVES Herbert.

Yep. I think Stafford is as good as anyone if he’s healthy. AD said Stafford played hurt a lot of 2021.

 

[Kupped]

Re: Goff… I’m hard on him, but this is Simms making himself right for predicting Goff would be bad.

 

[Loyal]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the last part of your first statement. Cousins actually HAD McVay as his OC one year, and choked with a chance to get to the playoffs - and it was largely on him, not the rest of the team. And then he turned around and took over a team that Case Keenum had taken to the NFC Championship and they don't even make the playoffs. One playoff win in his career on some talented teams (and much more talented than Stafford ever had in Detroit, which over the last 5 decades or so is even worse than the Browns). Both a playoff-worthy Redskin team came up short with him, and the Vikings have underachieved as well. You wouldn't excuse Goff in such a situation, so at some point you've got to be consistent and admit that it's Cousins that is the one who's coming up short.

Dak's coaches may not have been HOF level like McVay, but they weren't terrible either and he had a ton of talent around him. As dieter mentioned, he had the NFL rushing leader for 3 seasons, not to mention good WRs and the horses up front. Dak hasn't been able to make the plays when he needed to.

Mayfield had plenty of talent around him in Cleveland - OBJ, Landry and a good RB in Chubb. What did he do with it? Not enough to even get a 2nd contract and also only one playoff win and one playoff appearance. Mayfield has trouble making the plays even in the regular season.

Goff certainly had his struggles in his final two years with the Rams, but I can't see Dak, Cousins, or Mayfield doing any better than he did put in the exact same situation. Dak would have been the best of that bunch, but I can see Cousins and Mayfield shitting the bed much worse than Goff did because they have shown they can shit the bed with even more talent around them and with decent coaches and coordinators.

One fun note about McVay and Cousins and Goff. I don't know if you remember that there were fans on this forum who wanted to dump Jared Goff for Cousins before McVay's first season as HC for the Rams. Goff had never won a game and some were willing to settle for a former McVay guy in Cousins. I can't remember the situation now exactly, but there was a brief window when McVay could have gotten Cousins, and chose not to?

 

[thirteen28]

One fun note about McVay and Cousins and Goff. I don't know if you remember that there were fans on this forum who wanted to dump Jared Goff for Cousins before McVay's first season as HC for the Rams. Goff had never won a game and some were willing to settle for a former McVay guy in Cousins. I can't remember the situation now exactly, but there was a brief window when McVay could have gotten Cousins, and chose not to?

Yeah, I remember that, and I'm so glad that didn't happen. Cousins to me looks like a QB that should be really good but always seems to come up short even when he's got the players around him.

 

[kurtfaulk]

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haha, i would take goff over every qb after watson.

matt ryan? tannehill? cousins? mayfield barf?

so stupid the media hate of goff. he gets his chance to shut them up this season.


and stafford is easily top 3. rodgers couldn't hold his jock. to will the rams to victory in 3 straight playoff games deep in the 4th is what legends are made of.

mahommes and allen have to be there just on pure talent but stafford has shown in one season how good he is in the clutch. they're my top 3 in the same tier.

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[FrantikRam]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on the last part of your first statement. Cousins actually HAD McVay as his OC one year, and choked with a chance to get to the playoffs - and it was largely on him, not the rest of the team. And then he turned around and took over a team that Case Keenum had taken to the NFC Championship and they don't even make the playoffs. One playoff win in his career on some talented teams (and much more talented than Stafford ever had in Detroit, which over the last 5 decades or so is even worse than the Browns). Both a playoff-worthy Redskin team came up short with him, and the Vikings have underachieved as well. You wouldn't excuse Goff in such a situation, so at some point you've got to be consistent and admit that it's Cousins that is the one who's coming up short.

Dak's coaches may not have been HOF level like McVay, but they weren't terrible either and he had a ton of talent around him. As dieter mentioned, he had the NFL rushing leader for 3 seasons, not to mention good WRs and the horses up front. Dak hasn't been able to make the plays when he needed to.

Mayfield had plenty of talent around him in Cleveland - OBJ, Landry and a good RB in Chubb. What did he do with it? Not enough to even get a 2nd contract and also only one playoff win and one playoff appearance. Mayfield has trouble making the plays even in the regular season.

Goff certainly had his struggles in his final two years with the Rams, but I can't see Dak, Cousins, or Mayfield doing any better than he did put in the exact same situation. Dak would have been the best of that bunch, but I can see Cousins and Mayfield shitting the bed much worse than Goff did because they have shown they can shit the bed with even more talent around them and with decent coaches and coordinators.

McVay as an OC in Washington didn't have the power to build a winning culture, else they would have been better. He worked for an offensive minded HC so he likely wasn't even running his own offense.

Comparing what he did there to here when he was an OC vs HC doesnt work. Especially when that HC was Jay fucking Gruden.

Bringing up Cousins on the Vikings is just bizarre. His numbers are incredible. Give him Sean McVay and Aaron Donald and the Vikings may have been in the Super Bowl by now. Their defense was a wreck last year.


This all comes down to the same thing - you are basically saying Goff proved he was a winner here and that those guys havent won as much. We are literally the best place for a QB to be.

Stafford wasnt a winner. Im pretty sure you objected to the trade. I am sure I can dig up some fun posts you made a year ago this time if I wanted.

You are basically saying the same things about Cousins and Dak as you did Stafford last year. At least learn from it.

I don't think those guys are as good as Stafford. I'm not sure we win it all with them last year. But saying they're better than Goff is something 99.99999% of NFL fans would agree with.