Brian Flores suing NFL

[blackbart]

Stupid process they set themselves up with this garbage.

Always hire the best person based on merit and you’re never wrong.

 

[dieterbrock]

I'm a huge supporter of Flores and think that he's got a legit beef with Miami. But I dont understand the racism angle? I mean, Giants also interviewed their DC Graham and Leslie Frazier, so they certainly didnt need to interview him to satisfy the Rooney rule

 

[Dodgersrf]

If that allegation is true, it could very well result in the league taking action against the Dolphins' ownership.

It would not, however, establish a claim of race discrimination.

If theres truth to what Flores is saying about throwing games, than Ross should be forced to sale the team.

 

[OldSchool]

If that allegation is true, it could very well result in the league taking action against the Dolphins' ownership.

It would not, however, establish a claim of race discrimination.

I'm not addressing the race issue. The pay to lose, tanking is one thing but to pay a coach to throw games that's a whole other ball of wax.

 

[AvengerRam]

Why would he risk blowing up his career to make a political statement?

Some people can't accept their own failings and, instead, turn to the legal system. Lawyers, unfortunately, sometimes influence poor choices of this type.

I don't know Brian Flores, so I can't speak to his mindset. I think he's made a poor decision, though, unless he would rather be an "activist" than an NFL coach. His choice, of course.

 

[12intheBox]

View: https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1488636710229622793?s=20&t=iu4FOD9phW3YswfzILjaSw

 

[Merlin]

Yes, yes, I'm being unreasonable by asking you not to just immediately conclude that a guy who is literally putting his promising career on the line isn't just lying for attention.

That gif was for the inevitable direction of the conversation. I agree the Giants probably wanted Daboll. Teams do that. Whether the racism fits I certainly agree it's possible. But I don't think BB's text is going to be enough. I think for legal action he needs a bit more but of course you're a lawyer so interested on your take from that perspective.

Also I am starting to think that as good as he is Flores may be a difficult to work with type guy. We'll see though if that's true it will come clear at some point.

 

[Classic Rams]

 

[AvengerRam]

Political to what end? What is the end game for Flores here? Or for the law firm?

Both. Maybe Flores wants to be the next Colin Kaepernick. The lawyers may wish to market themselves as social justice champions. Some just crave the publicity. Take your pick.

 

[jrry32]

Some people can't accept their own failings and, instead, turn to the legal system. Lawyers, unfortunately, sometimes influence poor choices of this type.

I don't know Brian Flores, so I can't speak to his mindset. I think he's made a poor decision, though, unless he would rather be an "activist" than an NFL coach. His choice, of course.

That's not remotely believable under these circumstances. He knows what he's doing. He knows that if he kept his head down and worked as a coordinator he could get another HC shot. As to whether his decision is a good or poor one, that depends on your outlook. It's a poor decision if he wants to maximize his NFL HC chances. But it's also a courageous move if what he's saying is true. Principles are worth fighting for, even in the face of serious consequences.

That gif was for the inevitable direction of the conversation. I agree the Giants probably wanted Daboll. Teams do that. Whether the racism fits I certainly agree it's possible. But I don't think BB's text is going to be enough. I think for legal action he needs a bit more but of course you're a lawyer so interested on your take from that perspective.

Also I am starting to think that as good as he is Flores may be a difficult to work with type guy. We'll see though if that's true it will come clear at some point.

Sorry, misunderstood. The complaint just needs enough in the way of facts and factual allegations to survive a motion to dismiss. Once it does that, they can go to discovery. That's where he's hoping he'll find the really juicy dirt.

 

[12intheBox]

Both. Maybe Flores wants to be the next Colin Kaepernick. The lawyers may wish to market themselves as social justice champions. Some just crave the publicity. Take your pick.

They are an employment law firm - I'm guessing they are in it for the money.

Isn't that why you take cases? That's why I take cases.

 

[Merlin]

"I'm tired of covering up your shit Bill..!!!"
~ Goodell

 

[12intheBox]

That's not remotely believable under these circumstances. He knows what he's doing. He knows that if he kept his head down and worked as a coordinator he could get another HC shot. As to whether his decision is a good or poor one, that depends on your outlook. It's a poor decision if he wants to maximize his NFL HC chances. But it's also a courageous move if what he's saying is true. Principles are worth fighting for, even in the face of serious consequences.

And I think the NFL will make damn sure he isn't blackballed. Some lucky team will hire him and his players will run through brick walls for him.

 

[Memento]

And I think the NFL will make damn sure he isn't blackballed. Some lucky team will hire him and his players will run through brick walls for him.

In before we hire him as DC Morris leaves and grants us a third round pick.

 

[jrry32]

And I think the NFL will make damn sure he isn't blackballed. Some lucky team will hire him and his players will run through brick walls for him.

One would hope. But those owners hold grudges. Still, all it takes is one.

 

[PhillyRam]

Didn't 2 teams just hire black GMs as did 2 last yr as well. So not seeing overt racism here.

I am sure there is an issue to some extent that white owners, maybe just subconsciously, relate better to white coaches. Not saying that's right, but it happens. And thus they are more likely to hire white coaches. If you had a league dominated by black owners the majority of head coaches would be black. Again not right, but it's likely to occur.

And there could be an issue where there are not enough quality black candidates available.

Lets face it, the white HS star football player who is a football geek, is more likely to play small school college football then go right into coaching like McVay did. Where as the better and more talented black player actually plays big time football and does not get into coaching...at least not right away.

Marshall Faulk would probably be a great coach had he not made it and got into coaching when he was 23. Instead as a former professional player he has no desire or need to coach.

 

[AvengerRam]

That's not remotely believable under these circumstances. He knows what he's doing. He knows that if he kept his head down and worked as a coordinator he could get another HC shot. As to whether his decision is a good or poor one, that depends on your outlook. It's a poor decision if he wants to maximize his NFL HC chances. But it's also a courageous move if what he's saying is true. Principles are worth fighting for, even in the face of serious consequences.

Its not only believable, it happens all the time (just on a smaller scale).

As for Flores' individual motivation, I don't know the guy. Perhaps he's unable to accept his own shortcomings, and has been persuaded to take this fight on by others. Perhaps he sees it as his calling, even more so than coaching.

You seem to have concluded that a worthy "principle" is involved. I'm not so sure. While I'm sure there are individual hiring/firing decisions in the NFL that are tainted with discriminatory motives, alleging that its a systemic issue within the NFL (which would essentially require proof of collusion or collective action) is pretty far-fetched. That's not to say that one can't try to make that case, but when I see absurd allegations in a Complaint describing the NFL as being like a "plantation" merely because the owners are almost exclusively white and the players are 70% black, I stop taking the matter seriously.

 

[AvengerRam]

They are an employment law firm - I'm guessing they are in it for the money.

Isn't that why you take cases? That's why I take cases.

Firms often take high profile cases as loss leaders, particularly in the civil rights arena. Plus, in this case, they may very well make a lot of money, simply because the NFL is an exceedingly deep pocket that does not wish to be subjected to discovery.

 

[PhillyRam]

Didn't 2 teams just hire black GMs as did 2 last yr as well. So not seeing overt racism here.

I am sure there is an issue to some extent that white owners, maybe just subconsciously, relate better to white coaches. Not saying that's right, but it happens. And thus they are more likely to hire white coaches. If you had a league dominated by black owners the majority of head coaches would be black. Again not right, but it's likely to occur.

And there could be an issue where there are not enough quality black candidates available.

Lets face it, the white HS star football player who is a football geek, is more likely to play small school college football then go right into coaching like McVay did. Where as the better and more talented black player actually plays big time football and does not get into coaching...at least not right away.

Marshall Faulk would probably be a great coach had he not made it and got into coaching when he was 23. Instead as a former professional player he has no desire or need to coach

 

[oldnotdead]

There is no question in my mind that there is merit to what Flores is contending. Racism is an insidious thing and is very hard to prove though without a doubt it exists. I like Flores who is a straight up guy. In fact, I'd rather have Flores as DC here than Morris.

Do I think he will win? No, but that doesn't mean his contentions are false. I've had that problem my entire life so I know all too well what it is. I was an analyst at Standard and Poors but kept getting passed over despite constantly being handed the top projects.

If his suit ruins his career then it simply would prove he's right in much the same way as Kap's career was ruined. People who are brutally honest always get tagged with the label of being hard to work with. It's why I left my career as an analyst and in reality, I was much happier running my own businesses for 35 years.