A Kyren Kudos and a Corum question

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Some of us thought Corum might overtake Kyren as the number one back. But its clear Kyren should be the number one. He's more versatile with the other things he does. But having a guy like Corum as the number two is pretty darn good. We have the best one two punch in the league with those two.
 
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PARAM said:
Another thing I omitted from the original post is Kyren is #5 in the NFL in yards per rush, 5.4.

Walker 6.2
Cook 6.0
Bijan 5.8
Warren 5.6
KYREN 5.4

Dude is a huge part of the Rams offense. The funny thing is Corum is #10 in the NFL (4.9).
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Most of that came from 1 game though for Corum. Last few games each rush has been 2-3 yards, or behind the Line. Avg 2.9Yards per. Kyren Right now is one of the best with yards after Contact. I mean he Turned a -4 yard play and turned it into 9! COrum would have been Dead in the Water On that play.
 
snackdaddy said:
Some of us thought Corum might overtake Kyren as the number one back. But its clear Kyren should be the number one. He's more versatile with the other things he does. But having a guy like Corum as the number two is pretty darn good. We have the best one two punch in the league with those two.
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I never did and have been on Kyren side since day one! I like Corum as a back-up and thats where he should be.
 
Petrowsky said:
I know Kyren has 11 since 2023 which is tied with Bijan Robinson during that time. I’m pretty sure that James Cook III and Rhamondre Stevenson have more since 2023 though with 14 and 12.
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The thing is, in 2023 and 2024 he had 8 in 28 games played. In 2025, he had 2 and this year 1 (3 in 21 games played). He's turned it around.
 
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Kyren’s a tough, durable SOB.
He’s been absolutely crunched a few times this year and he just pops right up. Have to respect that and his ability to block, on top of everything else he brings to the table. He is a complete player, the kind of guy you want on your team.
 
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Faceplant said:
Kyren is and has always been CLEARLY the better back. I don't get the fascination with trying to promote Blake. He has to earn it. Kyren, pound for pound is top 5.
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Hes Already Top 10 all-Time Ram in multiple Stats!

Hes #7 behind Gurley in Yards.(4128) 1276yards to go|14 Less games|373 Carries Less| Avgs 4.6YPC 0.3 More than Gurley. 3 Fumbles Less Than Gurley. Only thing Gurley has over Kyren Right now is TDs! 56 to 39!

#6 In TD (39) 4 to Tie Dan Towler for 5th all Time!
 
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PowayRamFan said:
Kyren’s a tough, durable SOB.
He’s been absolutely crunched a few times this year and he just pops right up. Have to respect that and his ability to block, on top of everything else he brings to the table. He is a complete player, the kind of guy you want on your team.
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Not to mention that he is money when we are inside the five yard line.
I've never seen anybody recognize a crease and hit it as quick as he does.
 
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PhillyRam said:
The fact that Corum has stone hands probably will be his undoing here. I don't see them extending him. On Sunday he had a deflection off his hands that was almost picked. Can't deal with that.
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Kyren had deflections off this hands that turned into INTs early in his career. That said, Corum doesn't look anywhere near as comfortable as a receiver.
 
JonRam99 said:
He's no worse than many other RBs in this league.

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I will say tho, Kenneth Walker... wow, 3 fumbles, 0 lost...
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Kyren Williams fumbles slightly more than average for a top NFL running back, but the perception of his fumbling issue is magnified far more by timing than by pure frequency.


By the Numbers​

When looking at volume, Williams has put the ball on the turf more frequently than most elite bellcow backs:

  • Rate per Touch: Williams averages roughly 1 fumble every 70 to 80 touches over his full workload, whereas top-tier ball security standards for high-volume backs generally sit around 1 fumble per 100+ touches.

  • Raw Totals: Across his peak seasons as a starting back (2023–2024), he logged 8 regular-season fumbles (5 lost), putting him near the upper end of running back fumble counts across the league over that stretch.


How He Compares to Other Top Running Backs​

Running BackBall Security Profile
Christian McCaffrey / Derrick HenryElite ball security; consistently maintain rates lower than 1 fumble per 120–150 touches.
Kyren WilliamsBelow-average ball security; roughly 1 fumble per 75–80 touches.
James Cook / Saquon BarkleySimilar or higher overall fumble volume in recent seasons.

Why the Narrative Is Worse Than the Reality​

  1. Leverage & Timing: Williams' fumbles have historically occurred at critical junctions—fourth-quarter drives, goal-line attempts, or playoff matchups in high-profile standalone games.
  2. Heavy Workload: Sean McVay relies heavily on Williams in high-contact, interior runs and as a primary pass-blocker. Increased touches and high-volume snaps naturally increase the raw fumble count.
 
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Kyren Williams sits in the solid, serviceable middle tier among starting NFL running backs as a receiver—he is far from an elite dual-threat like Christian McCaffrey or Jahmyr Gibbs, but he is a major upgrade over true "zero-threat" passing-game backs.

Receiving Ability Compared to the NFL Spectrum​

CategoryElite Dual-ThreatsSolid Volume Options (Kyren Williams)Pure Rushing Specialists
ExamplesChristian McCaffrey, Jahmyr Gibbs, Breece HallKyren Williams, Josh Jacobs, Kenneth Walker IIIDerrick Henry, Nick Chubb
Route RunningWide-receiver tree out of the slot or out wide.Check-downs, swing passes, screens, and flat routes.Basic dump-offs or targeted only on screens.
Open-Field BurstDynamic top-end speed and high missed-tackle rate in space.High effort/competitiveness, but limited elite speed.Power over agility in open space.

Key Strengths as a Receiver​

  1. Elite Pass Protection (His Ticket on the Field): While not purely a catch-and-run skill, Williams’ willingness and technical ability to pick up blitzes and blitzing linebackers is among the best in the league. This is what keeps him on the field for 3rd downs over backups who might possess faster top-end speed.
  2. Reliable Hands on Designed Short Passes: He executes standard screen plays, wheel routes out of the backfield, and check-downs cleanly without high drop rates.
  3. Usage Volume: Sean McVay frequently leverages Williams as a high-volume target on quick-release reads, utilizing his football IQ and execution in space.

Limitations Compared to Top Receiving Backs​

  • Lack of Game-Breaking Speed/YAC: Elite pass-catching backs regularly turn 5-yard check-downs into 40-yard house calls. Williams lacks elite top-end speed and rarely creates massive chunk plays as a receiver after the catch.
  • Route Versatility: He is rarely split out wide as a true wide receiver mismatch against cornerbacks or safeties. His receiving output comes almost exclusively from traditional backfield deployments.
Williams serves as a highly trustworthy release valve who keeps defenses honest, even if he isn't the focal point of a team's vertical passing game.
 
Maybe I'm a homer but I think the below doesn't fully show Kyren's passpro results:

Kyren Williams stands out more for his technique, processing, and absolute willingness in pass protection than he does for pure raw physical dominance—ranking him in the upper tier for trust, but squarely middle-of-the-pack in overall grading.

The Pass-Protection Breakdown​

  1. Willingness & Diagnostic IQ (Elite Level):
    • Sean McVay runs a complex system that demands its lead back to process pre-snap coverage shell reads and blitz paths instantly.
    • Williams excels at stepping up directly into the A-gap and identifying free blitzers (linebackers and safety blindsides). He never hesitates or shies away from contact, which is why he plays such a heavy snap percentage on 3rd downs over other backs.
  2. Physical Size & Anchor Constraints (Average to Below-Average):
    • Listed at around 5'9" and under 200 lbs, Williams simply lacks the heavy anchor frame of larger backs.
    • When isolated one-on-one in space against a charging 240+ lb linebacker or a defensive lineman loop, he can get driven backward even when his technique and positioning are spot-on.
  3. Metrics & Grades (Middle of the Pack):
    • Per Pro Football Focus (PFF) grades and pass-blocking efficiency metrics, Williams typically ranks around the middle tier among qualified starting running backs. He isn't giving up free, unblocked sacks, but he gives up his fair share of hurries due to physical mismatches.

How He Compares Across the League​

  • Vs. Elite Pass-Blocking RBs (e.g., Ezekiel Elliott in his prime, Saquon Barkley, Tony Pollard, Isiah Pacheco): These backs combine high football IQ with a physical frame that lets them completely wall off blitzing linebackers. Williams has the brain and effort of this tier, but not the physical frame.
  • Vs. Average/Solid Starters (e.g., Kyren Williams, Josh Jacobs, Breece Hall, Christian McCaffrey): Williams sits right in this group. They process blitzes cleanly and hold their ground long enough for the quarterback to deliver the ball, even if they occasionally surrender pressure/hurries.
  • Vs. Poor Pass Blockers (e.g., Jahmyr Gibbs, De'Von Achane, Alvin Kamara): Many dynamic, high-speed backs struggle heavily with blitz identification or physically dislike blocking in the interior. Williams is noticeably far better and far more reliable than this group.
Overall, while he isn't a human brick wall, his elite processor and tough mindset make him one of the most trusted 3rd-down backs in the league for a coaching staff, which matters far more to McVay than raw size.
 
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Blake can get you more yards if the hole is there. Blake struggles in traffic and doesn’t have the power to break tackles. Kyren can make something out of nothing and break tackles along with being a far more superior pass blocker and pass catcher. It’s not even close. Kyren is far superior.
 
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RamsOfCastamere said:
Corum is getting less snaps because he is a pass game liability. Bro drops the simplest balls. They wouldn't dare send him on a deep wheel route. So on passing downs they need to sub Kyren back in.
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... and they've been working those wrinkles out in the last few games.
 
El Chapo Jr said:
I know it's way way early but would love a way to get that RB from Florida. Guy runs like a man possessed. Not talking about replacing Kyren by the way (not right away) but replacing Corum. Too bad he'll probably go in the 1st round though.


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Nice highlights. Great RB, he'll make some team happy. Good hands too.
But....
I've
never
seen
college RB highlights quite like Gurley II's. We were so blessed to have that guy on our team, for the short time we had him. He was an absolute MONSTER at Georgia. If their coaches (and ours...) didn't ride him so much, maybe rotated him a bit more, that knee might've held out longer. GA was crushing some team on the last game of the season, and it was pretty much the last play, and they DIDN'T PULL GURLEY. smh.
 
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JonRam99 said:
Nice highlights. Great RB, he'll make some team happy. Good hands too.
But....
I've
never
seen
college RB highlights quite like Gurley II's. We were so blessed to have that guy on our team, for the short time we had him. He was an absolute MONSTER at Georgia. If their coaches (and ours...) didn't ride him so much, maybe rotated him a bit more, that knee might've held out longer. GA was crushing some team on the last game of the season, and it was pretty much the last play, and they DIDN'T PULL GURLEY. smh.
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Yeah man, we were spoiled for sure. As much as I love Kyren and how gutsy he plays, I still want a top tier can score from anywhere from the field dual threat RB. Why? Well historically we've been blessed with some bad ass running backs playing for the Rams so to me its only fitting lol.
 
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