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[El Chapo Jr]

The best pick Holmes has made in two years is Amon-Ra St. Brown. First and second round picks like Hutchinson, Jameson, Sewell and Paschal are no brainers. Three drafted in the first 12 slots and the other before the middle of the 2nd round. St. Brown was a 4th round pick and for that, he deserves kudos. This year, he's got 3 of the first 46 picks and should bring in some more talent. If he makes the Lions contenders every year, or wins a Superbowl he will deserve the accolades. And he still won't have done what Snead has. Snead has had 6 drafts with McVay, going into his 7th without a pick in the 1st round. The highest selection Snead has made is 44 way back in 2017. The last 5 years his highest pick used was #53. That's 21 slots into the second. In four other drafts 89, 61, 57 and 103 were his first picks, the very bottom of the 2nd or later. That's because the Rams have traded away picks but also because they've been successful and pick lower in the rounds. Think about that for a second.....Holmes, in 2 years has made 5 picks in top 50 and he'll get 3 more this year. Snead? None the last 5 years and finally this year he'll get one. So before we go awarding Holmes executive of the year, let's see how it plays out in Detroit.

Sorry but no one can say draft picks are no brainers. Snead has busted out with top picks before. Not trying to say Holmes is better than Snead because we truly don't know, but the guy is doing a great job of drafting talent regardless. Whether that leads to anything is TBD so I agree he can't be awarded anything yet.

 

[PARAM]

Sorry but no one can say draft picks are no brainers. Snead has busted out with top picks before. Not trying to say Holmes is better than Snead because we truly don't know, but the guy is doing a great job of drafting talent regardless. Whether that leads to anything is TBD so I agree he can't be awarded anything yet.

Okay, not the 2nds so let's give him credit for a good pick of Paschal. But first round picks, particularly the upper half of round 1? Yes, I can say it, "they are no brainers". Take a look at the top 15 picks in every draft the last 4 years and tell me who was missed on that wasn't a QB? Who hasn't lived up to his draft slot? Henry Ruggs? And we know what happened to him wasn't anything to do with football. Quarterbacks are always an iffy proposition because taken that high they go to a shit team, probably to a shit coach. Who else? No-brainers.

And as I already showed, Snead HASN'T HAD "TOP PICKS"!!!! Name me the player that Snead took (with McVay) that was a top pick?

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Okay, not the 2nds so let's give him credit for a good pick of Paschal. But first round picks, particularly the upper half of round 1? Yes, they are no brainers. Take a look at the top 15 picks in every draft the last 4 years and tell who was missed on that wasn't a QB? Henry Ruggs? And we know what happened to him wasn't anything to do with football. Quarterbacks are always an iffy proposition because taken that high they go to a shit team, probably to a shit coach. Who else? No-brainers.

Really so Snead gets a pass for Tavon Austin and Greg Robinson? Both were top 10 picks. Not saying there isn't any other GM that doesn't miss but this to me is why saying picking high is a no brainer. It is probably also the reason Snead was ok trading 1st round picks for proven talent.

 

[PARAM]

Really so Snead gets a pass for Tavon Austin and Greg Robinson? Both were top 10 picks. Not saying there isn't any other GM that doesn't miss but this to me is why saying picking high is a no brainer. It is probably also the reason Snead was ok trading 1st round picks for proven talent.

Yes, he does. I blame Fisher because Snead was just learning the ropes under Jeffy. But that's okay....you want to go back almost a decade? Wow, you don't have an axe to grind do you? Sure guys get over drafted. I only went back 4 years to look at the top 15 selections and couldn't really find many who were flops (that weren't QB's....they've got a 50% chance or worst to flop taken that high). If I found 3 that's 5%. Like I said, no brainer unless you're brainless. The toughest decision on your plate in the top 15 is do I take that stud or that one?

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Yes, he does. I blame Fisher because Snead was just learning the ropes under Jeffy. But that's okay....you want to go back almost a decade? Wow, you don't have an axe to grind do you? Sure guys get over drafted. I only went back 4 years to look at the top 15 selections and couldn't really find many who were flops (that weren't QB's....they've got a 50% chance or worst to flop taken that high). If I found 3 that's 5%. Like I said, no brainer unless you're brainless. The toughest decision on your plate in the top 15 is do I take that stud or that one?

It's not an axe to grind at all. I'm just being honest and using facts to back it up. Not my fault the Rams haven't drafted high in God knows how many years lol. Snead hasn't always been successful there but what GM has? I'm not even knocking him. I'm saying, there is no guarantee for a pick to be a no brainer in the 1st round. You aren't apparently understanding what I am saying.

Sorry, couldn't help that gif, I'm just messing with u on that one lol

 

[Psycho_X]

Checks roster to make sure… nope, no Rams with #7 currently.


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[RocknRam29]

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[FarNorth]

The Rams hadn't won anything until McSnead came in and Holmes was a scout. This fascination with dumping on Snead is fascinating for a guy who build a Super Bowl winner. Then we can get into people giving Holmes all the credit for any good draft picks and ignore any bad picks at the same time makes absolutely no sense.

Snead and Holmes were a team. A very good one. But imo if there wasn’t a consensus McVay probably had the last word on who to pick. So we can all praise or blame all of them.

 

[MachS]

Snead and Holmes were a team. A very good one. But imo if there wasn’t a consensus McVay probably had the last word on who to pick. So we can all praise or blame all of them.

I think McVay has final say regardless. Snead has done a good job overall, but has absolutely whiffed on some picks.

 

[dieterbrock]

Really so Snead gets a pass for Tavon Austin and Greg Robinson?

Winning a Superbowl earns a lot of free passes

 

[dang]

Winning a Superbowl earns a lot of free passes

The Chiefs are the only NFL team that I see that wouldn’t do what the Rams did to win a Super Bowl. They seem to have their own Plan.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

Winning a Superbowl earns a lot of free passes

That's not even related to the point I was making but ok lol

 

[PARAM]

It's not an axe to grind at all. I'm just being honest and using facts to back it up. Not my fault the Rams haven't drafted high in God knows how many years lol. Snead hasn't always been successful there but what GM has? I'm not even knocking him. I'm saying, there is no guarantee for a pick to be a no brainer in the 1st round. You aren't apparently understanding what I am saying.

Sorry, couldn't help that gif, I'm just messing with u on that one lol

I didn't say there were "guarantees". I said the picks were "no brainers". There's a difference. After the fact, 20/20 hindsight, experts and fans are always right. But going into the draft, there are "no brainers".

For instance, who would be the better pick for EDGE/DE, Travon Walker, Aiden Hutchinson or Kavon Thibodeaux? How about CB? Sauce Gardner or Derek Stingley? WR? Drake London, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave or Jameson Williams? Better pick at OT? Ikem Ekwanu, Evan Neal or Charles Cross? How many draftniks had those 12 going off in the first 12? Most? Many? Almost all? How many had 10 of them in the top 10? The differences between them may be fit, the defense or offense they're going to play on. But they were all "no brainers". Teams really can't go wrong taking any of them. How about the next 3? Jordan Davis, Kyle Hamilton and Kenyon Green? Davis and Hamilton were projected to go in the top 10. There's always a number of players, usually taken in the first round, usually taken in the upper half of the first round, that are "no brainers". And when some team throws an odd pick in there, the 'experts' and fans say, "WTF were they thinking?" Like I said before, "no brainers". QBs are the oddity. Overdrafted and therefore, more likely to fail.

 

[El Chapo Jr]

I didn't say there were "guarantees". I said the picks were "no brainers". There's a difference. After the fact, 20/20 hindsight, experts and fans are always right. But going into the draft, there are "no brainers".

For instance, who would be the better pick for EDGE/DE, Travon Walker, Aiden Hutchinson or Kavon Thibodeaux? How about CB? Sauce Gardner or Derek Stingley? WR? Drake London, Garrett Wilson, Chris Olave or Jameson Williams? Better pick at OT? Ikem Ekwanu, Evan Neal or Charles Cross? How many draftniks had those 12 going off in the first 12? Most? Many? Almost all? How many had 10 of them in the top 10? The differences between them may be fit, the defense or offense they're going to play on. But they were all "no brainers". Teams really can't go wrong taking any of them. How about the next 3? Jordan Davis, Kyle Hamilton and Kenyon Green? Davis and Hamilton were projected to go in the top 10. There's always a number of players, usually taken in the first round, usually taken in the upper half of the first round, that are "no brainers". And when some team throws an odd pick in there, the 'experts' and fans say, "WTF were they thinking?" Like I said before, "no brainers". QBs are the oddity. Overdrafted and therefore, more likely to fail.

Ok I'll just agree to disagree because no brainers essentially means guaranteed good player and you are spinning it another way imo. Experts saying "WTF" about a pick is a team not going after a no brainer, just them deciding to go off on a tangent and not have a brain for whatever reason lol...
Good convo tho

 

[PARAM]

It's semantics.

FACT: There are no guarantees in the NFL draft.

Having said that are there "no brainers"? Yes.

FACT: Prospects that are highly touted, highly valued by NFL scouts and the "experts" who scout players = No Brainers. 15 to 20 every year.

You make a selection and then hope to develop them into the player who lives up to his draft slot.

Questions:
Is Will Anderson a "no brainer"? Yes
Is Bijan Robinson a "no brainer"? Yes
Is Andrei Iosivas a "no brainer"? No

Does that mean those first two will be can't miss, absolute NFL stars? No. If you had to bet (and every NFL team does with every pick they make), of those 3, who would you bet your house on? Whoever you pick would be your "no brainer".

 

[Loyal]

The best pick Holmes has made in two years is Amon-Ra St. Brown. First and second round picks like Hutchinson, Jameson, Sewell and Paschal are no brainers. Three drafted in the first 12 slots and the other before the middle of the 2nd round. St. Brown was a 4th round pick and for that, he deserves kudos. This year, he's got 3 of the first 46 picks and should bring in some more talent. If he makes the Lions contenders every year, or wins a Superbowl he will deserve the accolades. And he still won't have done what Snead has. Snead has had 6 drafts with McVay, going into his 7th without a pick in the 1st round. The highest selection Snead has made is 44 way back in 2017. The last 5 years his highest pick used was #53. That's 21 slots into the second. In four other drafts 89, 61, 57 and 103 were his first picks, the very bottom of the 2nd or later. That's because the Rams have traded away picks but also because they've been successful and pick lower in the rounds. Think about that for a second.....Holmes, in 2 years has made 5 picks in top 50 and he'll get 3 more this year. Snead? None the last 5 years and finally this year he'll get one. So before we go awarding Holmes executive of the year, let's see how it plays out in Detroit.

The one thing you have not mentioned is the historic failure of the Detroit Lions. The funny phrase "The Rebuilding Since 1957 Detroit Lions" was funny because it was painfully true. Motor City Dan Cambell and Brad Holmes have been praised by long tine sports writers in Detroit for making smart decisions and turning the franchise into a capable one. They are actually crazy happy over Holmes' leadership.

Snead and Fisher made the Rams into a solid organization before McVay arrived to take it to that next level. Will Cambell and Holmes take the Lions to the next level? I don't know. But I think the Lions are looking better than the Rams right now, as painful as it is for me to admit.

 

[Loyal]

Okay, not the 2nds so let's give him credit for a good pick of Paschal. But first round picks, particularly the upper half of round 1? Yes, I can say it, "they are no brainers". Take a look at the top 15 picks in every draft the last 4 years and tell me who was missed on that wasn't a QB? Who hasn't lived up to his draft slot? Henry Ruggs? And we know what happened to him wasn't anything to do with football. Quarterbacks are always an iffy proposition because taken that high they go to a shit team, probably to a shit coach. Who else? No-brainers.

And as I already showed, Snead HASN'T HAD "TOP PICKS"!!!! Name me the player that Snead took (with McVay) that was a top pick?

Did Snead pick draft Greg Robinson as the #2 overall pick in 2014 when Khalil Mack was still on the board? We picked him because he was a freak physical specimen, but didn't know of his mental limitations. So no, there is no sure thing ANYWHERE in the draft.

 

[Merlin]

Did Snead pick draft Greg Robinson as the #2 overall pick in 2014 when Khalil Mack was still on the board? We picked him because he was a freak physical specimen, but didn't know of his mental limitations. So no, there is no sure thing ANYWHERE in the draft.

Just look at Donald. If the Rams knew he'd be that dominant they would have taken him at 2 overall. Same with Kupp. We had some folks like Jrry screaming for Kupp in that draft but if the Rams knew he'd be that good they would have taken him a round earlier.

So like Les says he prefers the amount of picks to translate into more shots to hit on the top guys. I think he's right in that regard but they do need to do better with those round 2 picks. Whatever the dysfunction is identify it first then implement constraints to contain it. If they do that plus eliminate the raw athlete and oft-injured picks they should have a fine draft.

 

[dieterbrock]

The Chiefs are the only NFL team that I see that wouldn’t do what the Rams did to win a Super Bowl. They seem to have their own Plan.

But didnt they though?
They had their QB, had a top 5-10 scoring offense and multiple playoff appearances and yet traded away multiple 1st round picks to land a better, though unproven, QB. They let top performers leave and replaced them with lesser known players. Is what they did the same as the Rams? No, but I'd say it's closer to similar than it is different

 

[PhillyRam]

But didnt they though?
They had their QB, had a top 5-10 scoring offense and multiple playoff appearances and yet traded away multiple 1st round picks to land a better, though unproven, QB. They let top performers leave and replaced them with lesser known players. Is what they did the same as the Rams? No, but I'd say it's closer to similar than it is different

The only real difference is that they have an all world 26 yr old QB. So they can continue to shuffle the deck around him.