Turnovers - One reason I think Rams can repeat

[CanadaRam]

In 2021-22 Rams had a 0 turnover differential.
Regular season +2
Playoffs: -2 (includes a +2 in Cardinals game)

Maybe someone better than me can look up historical stats.
I'm a big believer to dominate in NFL, winning the turnover battle is a key to success.
The Rams were average in a year they won the SB and were between poor and atrocious in the playoffs.

And they won the SB.

I really believe that the Rams should have been and will be better in turnover ratio in 2022/23.

This is one of the reasons I believe the Rams will repeat as SB champs

 

[Faceplant]

They should be better in that category, that's for sure. Agree that it is crazy we won it all with a negative ratio. A lot of that is on Stafford, and I know it is something he has done his whole career, but I get the feeling that he settles in and throws for like 43 TDs and 12 INTs next season.

 

[CanadaRam]

They should be better in that category, that's for sure. Agree that it is crazy we won it all with a negative ratio. A lot of that is on Stafford, and I know it is something he has done his whole career, but I get the feeling that he settles in and throws for like 43 TDs and 12 INTs next season.

Year one in a new offense is difficult.
The Rams were not built around their QB. Their QB had to fit into what the Rams did.

The addition of Robinson at the expense of Woods, shows to me that for 2022/23, the Rams will be a better mix of McVay's offense and Stafford's skills.
I'm sure that Stafford will feel much more comfortable and in control in his 2nd year.
This will impact his ints for sure imo.

 

[tomas]

I get the feeling that he settles in and throws for like 43 TDs and 12 INTs next season.

I think Stafford will punch his ticket into the Hall of Fame--- 55 TDS 8 interceptions

 

[Oregonram]

It’s a tribute to Stafford that he was responsible for most of the turnovers and still found a way to win games in the 4th quarter of the last three games. Turnover ratios are important, but clutch play is even more so.

 

[tklongball]

There were several INTs that were 50/50 balls down the field that the WRs just didn't even try to fight for. I mean if the WRs (More often than not VJ) tracked the ball better and just turned into a DB on those plays, we probably have 5-6 fewer INTs. Don't get me wrong, I like Van, he just needs to improve in that area. I think that is one of the big reason Robinson was brought in. I think if he was the WR on those 6-7 INTs, they probably turn into 3-4 completions and 3-4 incompletions, and Maybe 1 INT

Also, I think the point about Stafford's 2nd season with McVey is a very valid point. He will be better just due to being more familiar. I honestly think Stafford has a Monster year in 2022.

 

[den-the-coach]

Many teams have improved more in the AFC then NFC. The Los Angeles Chargers looked stacked barring injuries, IMO, the Rams are still a work in progress as they look to finalize their coaching staff & roster.

1. Right Guard...Most likely through the draft as they add competition, however, if Shelton wins the job, they will need someone who can play Center/Guard for backup purposes.
2. Punter...Not only someone that can punt, but also a holder, now it might not be the same person, but for the continue success of Matt Gay, it's important to factor that in as that was one are that Corey Bojorquez struggled in with Buffalo & Green Bay, so gain, holder does not seem important until it is.
3. LCB...Is Robert Rochell ready? Fine if he is, but who are going to be the others in reserve? Rams most likely will spend their first pick 3rd round 104th overall most likely CB or OG so that will factor into the above two area.

Also I'm sure the coaching staff has been finalized, but it has not been made official. Still wondering on who will be the QB Coach (Assuming it with be Zac Robinson) & with Jonathan Cooley now coaching the secondary, who will be assisting him, could it be Lance Schulters who was part of a fellowship last year, but is a former safety?

 

[Kupped]

Good post!

I expect a close to career best year from Stafford next year and think he'll drop to about 10 ints. Robinson will have a huge impact here.

Hopefully they can improve on creating turnovers as well.. although losing Von may impact that.

 

[Loyal]

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[Merlin]

I expect Stafford will be better with another camp. McVay has the highest expectations and undoubtedly puts a lot on his QBs. Stafford benefitted from that as he settled in, and it seemed like once the playoffs started he took his play to another level. Now he's going to have another camp to sort all that shit in his head and push his mastery level higher.

And the Rams have also done what they can to improve his weapons. He now has matchup pressure vs defenses with his WR1 and WR2, where both those guys are insanely hard to stop. If the Rams can get improvement from whoever is WR3 they're gonna be in business. Could be Jefferson with a little more push to play with aggressiveness (he's a pretty big dude too btw at 6'1"). Could be Tutu dunking on the haters with an Az Hakim-like year two. Could even be Harris staying healthy and putting things together.

Either way I expect this offense to put up stupid numbers in the air in 2022. I just hope the run game improves because it looked like shit late in the playoffs.

 

[Ram65]

I am surprised some genius hasn't come up with a different metric formula to take into consideration things like where and when INTs occurred. Some of Stafford's were thrown deep and were like punts. He also had 4 pick 6s which should carry a lot more weight than a punt-like INT in the endzone. What about stops on 4th downs? There is also field position-changing plays in the punting and KO game. How about a good defense that pushes teams back out of field goal range with sacks or penalties.

Teams that rely on turnovers during the season don't always fare well in the playoffs. I do believe the Rams can do better in 2022 on their turnover ratio. Stafford should be more comfortable in the offense. McVay should be more protection conscious against the better defensive fronts. In 2021 I liked that the Rams didn't have to rely on turnovers to be successful. The Rams played good team football with the defense picking up the offense and vice-versa. They improved special teams as the season went on to round up all three phases of the game.

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/turnovers.html

 

[PARAM]

They should be better in that category, that's for sure. Agree that it is crazy we won it all with a negative ratio. A lot of that is on Stafford, and I know it is something he has done his whole career, but I get the feeling that he settles in and throws for like 43 TDs and 12 INTs next season.

His last 7 years in Detroit, he averaged 10.9 picks per year (if you get a per game average since he played only 8 games in 2019). But he also only averaged 26.6 TDs. So maybe it was 'the new system' or maybe it was 'the system called for more chances'. If we can keep the turnovers (ints and fumbles lost) to a manageable 19 or 20, but up the takeaways to the 2017-18 standards (29) we'll be okay. Ironically, Stafford had more interceptions in 2021 than Goff ever had in a season. But he also had more TDs by far than Goff ever had. I hate the coach but the saying is accurate.....no risket, no biscuit.

What killed our +/- in the postseason was those 4 fumbles in Tampa. We had 6 fumbles all season.

 

[Kupped]

I am surprised some genius hasn't come up with a different metric formula to take into consideration things like where and when INTs occurred. Some of Stafford's were thrown deep and were like punts. He also had 4 pick 6s which should carry a lot more weight than a punt-like INT in the endzone. What about stops on 4th downs? There is also field position-changing plays in the punting and KO game. How about a good defense that pushes teams back out of field goal range with sacks or penalties.

Teams that rely on turnovers during the season don't always fare well in the playoffs. I do believe the Rams can do better in 2022 on their turnover ratio. Stafford should be more comfortable in the offense. McVay should be more protection conscious against the better defensive fronts. In 2021 I liked that the Rams didn't have to rely on turnovers to be successful. The Rams played good team football with the defense picking up the offense and vice-versa. They improved special teams as the season went on to round up all three phases of the game.

https://www.footballdb.com/stats/turnovers.html

Two things I really like here..
Trying to find a good way to weight ints.. that would be genius. Really good concept there.

And the turnovers on downs. You hear a bunch about how the Rams lost the turnover battle but won the Super Bowl.. I disagree with that statement.. the Rams stopped the Bengals twice on 4th downs.. those are turnovers. The 4th down play nets nothing and gives the ball back to the other team.. That's a turnover in my book and it's how the Rams look at it as well.

 

[Kupped]

His last 7 years in Detroit, he averaged 10.9 picks per year (if you get a per game average since he played only 8 games in 2019). But he also only averaged 26.6 TDs. So maybe it was 'the new system' or maybe it was 'the system called for more chances'. If we can keep the turnovers (ints and fumbles lost) to a manageable 19 or 20, but up the takeaways to the 2017-18 standards (29) we'll be okay. Ironically, Stafford had more interceptions in 2021 than Goff ever had in a season. But he also had more TDs by far than Goff ever had. I hate the coach but the saying is accurate.....no risket, no biscuit.

My problem with the last line, when it comes to Stafford.. is that it seemed that multiple ints weren't high leverage throws.. they were just bad throws/decisions.
I'm very obviously over it and think that he will throw significantly fewer ints with a full season with McVay under his belt and the addition of Robinson.

 

[PARAM]

My problem with the last line, when it comes to Stafford.. is that it seemed that multiple ints weren't high leverage throws.. they were just bad throws/decisions.
I'm very obviously over it and think that he will throw significantly fewer ints with a full season with McVay under his belt and the addition of Robinson.

Hey, we can hope but it's no big deal. He's going to throw picks, hopefully not 17, but he's also going to throw a lot of TDs. My point was, if he throws 12 and we don't fumble too much.....AND get more takeaways on defense......we'll be fine. By my count he had 4 arm punts and 2 Wentz like picks (Tenn & Minn). He's not "Rodgers careful" because he wants to win more than he wants a high QB rating. So he's going to have 11 or 12 picks.

 

[Kupped]

Hey, we can hope but it's no big deal. He's going to throw picks, hopefully not 17, but he's also going to throw a lot of TDs. My point was, if he throws 12 and we don't fumble too much.....AND get more takeaways on defense......we'll be fine. By my count he had 4 arm punts and 2 Wentz like picks (Tenn & Minn). He's not "Rodgers careful" because he wants to win more than he wants a high QB rating. So he's going to have 11 or 12 picks.

Very well said and I'm in complete agreement.
I may be expecting too much.. but I think he'll top 45 TDs this coming season. If Robinson and Kupp can stay healthy for the full season.. it will open up so much for everyone else.

 

[So Ram]

Many teams have improved more in the AFC then NFC. The Los Angeles Chargers looked stacked barring injuries, IMO, the Rams are still a work in progress as they look to finalize their coaching staff & roster.

1. Right Guard...Most likely through the draft as they add competition, however, if Shelton wins the job, they will need someone who can play Center/Guard for backup purposes.
2. Punter...Not only someone that can punt, but also a holder, now it might not be the same person, but for the continue success of Matt Gay, it's important to factor that in as that was one are that Corey Bojorquez struggled in with Buffalo & Green Bay, so gain, holder does not seem important until it is.
3. LCB...Is Robert Rochell ready? Fine if he is, but who are going to be the others in reserve? Rams most likely will spend their first pick 3rd round 104th overall most likely CB or OG so that will factor into the above two area.

Also I'm sure the coaching staff has been finalized, but it has not been made official. Still wondering on who will be the QB Coach (Assuming it with be Zac Robinson) & with Jonathan Cooley now coaching the secondary, who will be assisting him, could it be Lance Schulters who was part of a fellowship last year, but is a former safety?

Really coach ? Yeah ok I thought you were on your game better than that.

Greg Olsen was The Rams QB coach in 2017 & oC with the Raiders since.I’m sure you remember back in St.Louis as the OC for Lineman & a HC at some point & whatever else down his long coaching career.

Zac Robinson doesn’t get enough credit for what he has done with The Rams. He has a good relationship with Coen as well. Ask Goff,Wolford, & Kupp what he means or meant to them.I’d say the triple crown in 2021 was pretty sweet.

RR31 made a play on special teams that stop his growth of some excellent NFL experience. He will be an excellent NFL CB. He will be ready because of how he prepares & his skill set. I’ve fallen for him since his JB Brown interview.

Yeah - DB coach ?? I’m going off your knowledge of Cooley being blocked & it was his system the DB’s were running under Raheem Morris. It says a lot about Raheem Morris & Sean Mcvay in believing in there coaching staff. Lance Shulters would seem like a good fit for the reason you expressed.

BTW- there you go again with the O”Line. I don’t see The Rams drafting an Offensive lineman early unless it is a value fit. An example Tutu Atwell over Humphries.Ram fans want to rehash the pick. Myself included mainly because of all the uncertainty upfront.

 

[So Ram]

I can go on about The O’Line.

Since this is about turnovers, I liked the way The Rams prepare on defense. I can go back to the RR31
starting at CB in 2022. His first injury I blame it on the carelessness of hitting at the Football during training camp. It was a thing & Jake Funk was apart of it. He likes to finish his drills & DB’s we’re taking extra swings at the ball. IMO that is how RR31 hurt himself. The report just adds to what seemed obsessive.

I like the young OLB’s & DE’s. There are a lot of young players who are going to look at making impact plays.
The Rams prepare for that with the drills & coaching staff.
Protecting the ball is key as well. I actually believe in 2022 vs 2021 Stafford will be reined in a bit & more on point. Add moving the pocket & a better running game should help.

 

[den-the-coach]

BTW- there you go again with the O”Line. I don’t see The Rams drafting an Offensive lineman early unless it is a value fit. An example Tutu Atwell over Humphries.Ram fans want to rehash the pick. Myself included mainly because of all the uncertainty upfront.

Drafting Atwell over Humphries was a mistake, I truly believe one of the first two picks will be a Guard, they could wait until the 5th and trade up in the 5th with some of their 6th's with the first picks being CB & Edge, but this is the year they need to draft Offensive Linemen, they drafted two in 2018 in Boom & Allen, then two more in 2019 in Evans & Edwards, so I expect two, maybe even 3 and don't be shocked if they are a couple from Kentucky because of Liam Coen.

 

[Kupped]

Drafting Atwell over Humphries was a mistake, I truly believe one of the first two picks will be a Guard, they could wait until the 5th and trade up in the 5th with some of their 6th's with the first picks being CB & Edge, but this is the year they need to draft Offensive Linemen, they drafted two in 2018 in Boom & Allen, then two more in 2019 in Evans & Edwards, so I expect two, maybe even 3 and don't be shocked if they are a couple from Kentucky because of Liam Coen.

From one perspective, what you're saying about drafting linemen makes 100% sense.. but I was thinking that last year!!!
What I don't know that I do know will factor greatly into the Rams draft plans.
-What do they really think they have in Alaric Jackson? If they think he's a legitimate potential LT, who could also fill-in at RT.. there's really no need to draft an OT, because they also have a developmental tackle on their roster in Pircher (although.. if they don't think he's going to develop, they'd surely draft one).
-Who's the right guard? If it's Shelton right now, boy, do I think they're drafting a guard with the 3rd or 4th round pick. I think Shelton is fine as a stopgap, but they need a guy with more physical upside to hopefully dominate at that position. I'd imagine Evans, Brewer and Anchrum are battling for this position. With Jackson and Pircher, that's 10 lineman.. so.. do they have to draft OL??

It all depends on what they really have in the pipeline, in house.