Trade scenario with the Browns at the top of the 2nd round

[WestCoastRam]

Let's say the Browns want to come up, possibly for a QB at 26. The offer includes the 33rd pick (1st pick in the 2nd round), what is the LEAST amount you would trade down for?

What I mean is, with the conventional wisdom that the draft class is relatively flat between 15 and 50, a team will probably be offering less than the trade chart, what would you be willing to take to drop down to 33?

Remember, 33 itself, comes as a premium as it's the first pick on day 2 with teams knowing who's left on the board and you may be able to recoup some draft value with teams willing to pay a premium for that spot.

The Rich Hill draft chart puts the value of the 26th pick at 223 and the 33rd pick at 180. The difference: the value of the 92nd pick in the 3rd round.

Browns have the 104 pick, 2nd pick in the 4th round, that they could offer; but what if they wanted something back from us like a 6th or more?

 

[JonRam99]

That's a great scenario. Lots of options, and with the value in this draft meeting our needs, I'd take it & run.
...that said, if there's a "bobby wagner" that we pass on, we'll kick ourselves for years. hard decisions coming very soon!!

 

[DzRams]

Let's say the Browns want to come up, possibly for a QB at 26. The offer includes the 33rd pick (1st pick in the 2nd round), what is the LEAST amount you would trade down for?

What I mean is, with the conventional wisdom that the draft class is relatively flat between 15 and 50, a team will probably be offering less than the trade chart, what would you be willing to take to drop down to 33?

Remember, 33 itself, comes as a premium as it's the first pick on day 2 with teams knowing who's left on the board and you may be able to recoup some draft value with teams willing to pay a premium for that spot.

The Rich Hill draft chart puts the value of the 26th pick at 223 and the 33rd pick at 180. The difference: the value of the 92nd pick in the 3rd round.

Browns have the 104 pick, 2nd pick in the 4th round, would you take it? Would you be willing to take a pick in the 2026 draft even if it still was less value than what the 26th pick is worth?

Yes, 33 has some value itself as the first pick on day 2 but we'd also be giving up some value of the 5th-year option by sliding to the 2nd round.

I'd need a late 3rd for it to be worth it.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Yes, 33 has some value itself as the first pick on day 2 but we'd also be giving up some value of the 5th-year option by sliding to the 2nd round.

I'd need a late 3rd for it to be worth it.

And that's the rub, I think there's a good chance we'll get offered less than a late third if offered anything.

Is an extra 4th rounder worth it, say at the top of round?

Moving down 7 spots is a lot when maybe you have a bucket of 5 guys you like at 26.

 

[DzRams]

And that's the rub, I think there's a good chance we'll get offered less than a late third if offered anything.

Is an extra 4th rounder worth it, say at the top of round?

Moving down 7 spots is a lot when maybe you have a bucket of 5 guys you like at 26.

I'm skeptical of the whole relatively flat thing where 15 and 50 are the same. I bet that teams in actuality have specific preferences amongst players even if overall their talent level is perceived as similar.

So if you're not offered anything good, take the best player on your list.

That said, if the discount in trade value is only the difference between pick 92 and a very early 4th, I'd take the trade down offer. That would be a 5% discount on the trade charts which is palatable. A steep discount isn't.

 

[Londoner]

Going by the trade value chart, the minimum would be 33 and 94 for 26. Our pick is valued at 700 points, while 33 is worth 580 and 94 is 124 points.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Yes, 33 has some value itself as the first pick on day 2 but we'd also be giving up some value of the 5th-year option by sliding to the 2nd round.

I'd need a late 3rd for it to be worth it.

Problem with that is any team with a high 2nd round pick to offer for the Rams to trade out of #26, is unlikely to have a late 3rd round pick in the same draft. More likely, that team has its own 3rd and 4th rounders which ... like its 2nd is going to be an early round pick.

 

[OldSchool]

Problem with that is any team with a high 2nd round pick to offer for the Rams to trade out of #26, is unlikely to have a late 3rd round pick in the same draft. More likely, that team has its own 3rd and 4th rounders which ... like its 2nd is going to be an early round pick.

Then we get their early 3rd and we send them one of our 3rd pr our 4th rounder if that evens it out

 

[DzRams]

Problem with that is any team with a high 2nd round pick to offer for the Rams to trade out of #26, is unlikely to have a late 3rd round pick in the same draft. More likely, that team has its own 3rd and 4th rounders which ... like its 2nd is going to be an early round pick.

You're right. If they don't have a player they really want at 26, and a trading team doesn't have a late 3rd, an early 4th can possibly still be worth it by adding late-round swaps.

For example, Cleveland:

26 --> 33, 94
26, 202 --> 33, 104, 179

Either work. The second option would be the Rams giving a slight discount.

 

[Boston Ram]

As always alot has to do with what their plan is and who is on the board at the time. If they have a player ID'd who they think can start they make the pick. If drafting for depth, then maybe trading back is a good thing. If they are drafting the QB of the future, they are making the pick. Just some examples. So hard to tell till draft day. My feeling is if a team in the 20's trades back its cause they like a couple of players but dont love any specific player.

 

[ArkyRamsFan]

If the Browns are moving up for a QB it's probably Jaxson Dart. If that's the case I would stay at 26 and take him myself.
My .02.

~ArkyRamsFan~

 

[Corbin]

Not a fan of the “Rich Hill” trade chart.

How many people in the NFL use a trade draft chart by a Pats fan from Pats Pulpit? I’d imagine not to many.

That said I’d take that pick 94 off their hands.

 

[WestCoastRam]

Going by the trade value chart, the minimum would be 33 and 94 for 26. Our pick is valued at 700 points, while 33 is worth 580 and 94 is 124 points.

Was using a diff chart but yes, works out about the same. Are you saying you wouldn't take less?

 

[Londoner]

Are you saying you wouldn't take less?

Correct. No way I would take less than that.

 

[dieterbrock]

In '22 Jacksonville traded their 2nd round pick (#33) with their 4th and 6th for Tampa's #27 overall
Seems like a decent benchmark for the Rams trading back from #26

Count me in with the group that says if Dart is there at #26, they should take him

 

[dang]

Let's say the Browns want to come up, possibly for a QB at 26. The offer includes the 33rd pick (1st pick in the 2nd round), what is the LEAST amount you would trade down for?

What I mean is, with the conventional wisdom that the draft class is relatively flat between 15 and 50, a team will probably be offering less than the trade chart, what would you be willing to take to drop down to 33?

Remember, 33 itself, comes as a premium as it's the first pick on day 2 with teams knowing who's left on the board and you may be able to recoup some draft value with teams willing to pay a premium for that spot.

The Rich Hill draft chart puts the value of the 26th pick at 223 and the 33rd pick at 180. The difference: the value of the 92nd pick in the 3rd round.

Browns have the 104 pick, 2nd pick in the 4th round, that they could offer; but what if they wanted something back from us like a 6th or more?

R1.26 for R2.33/R3.94 sounds right. Could add Rams last R6 pick if the Rams want a trade back. I’d prefer trading back a bit more in R2 and getting an earlier additional R3 pick.

 

[PhillyRam]

Problem with that is any team with a high 2nd round pick to offer for the Rams to trade out of #26, is unlikely to have a late 3rd round pick in the same draft. More likely, that team has its own 3rd and 4th rounders which ... like its 2nd is going to be an early round pick.

I would take an early 4th and early 5th and give back a later 6th. To me that would be fair to trade out of day 1 even of it's for pick 33. I would make a point in getting a 5th thrown in on any trade down. Need to fill that gap.

In fact you could then package that early 4th with pick 90 to get an earlier 3rd if there is a guy there that they like at a thin position. That would close a gap there between pick 33 & 90.

 

[dieterbrock]

R1.26 for R2.33/R3.94 sounds right. Could add Rams last R6 pick if the Rams want a trade back. I’d prefer trading back a bit more in R2 and getting an earlier additional R3 pick.

Would love that although it sure seems a lot for moving 7 spots. Being the first pick of each round its almost like a 2nd and 3rd round pick

 

[Gandalf]

Rams could do #26 and 90 for #33, 67 and 255.

#33 is a good spot and there should be some good talent at #67 that would fit our needs.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

In a draft with less overall talent, the value of the picks is diminished. The trade chart is not an exact scale. In years like this is tougher to get full value.