The Rams are successful in their use of analytics

[CGI_Ram]

The Rams seem to be very successful with their use of analytics. By many accounts they are a leader in measuring player attributes to NFL level attributes with deep data. I think our late round success in the draft supports they have something going here.

The secret sauce appears combining those physical traits to character traits.

At this point I think we all agree… Our use of analytics seems really strong and important to the organization.

If they are good at draft analytics, it would make sense that they would be good at game day analytics as well. Right?

I posted this video before but it didn’t go anywhere. This video pretty much demonstrates with data you should “never run the ball”.

The league is a passing league.

I put this topic up because there is frustration with McVay’s fascination passing the ball. The data suggests thats the way to move the ball the most. Pass, pass, pass.

You got to watch at least 6 min to get the point. THE ENTIRE VIDEO IS WORTH IT.

The main point of the video is pay vs performance at the RB position. He makes a slam dunk point there.

Should make good discussion.


View: https://youtu.be/eYJyUA08uZs?si=k-ZjJDx-6h2nASy4

 

[bubbaramfan]

While I agree analytics can be a big part of assessing players, there is a huge amount of what a player has that can't be measured. Take the combine for example. Speed, strength, quickness are all qualitative. But how do you measure how much a player is willing to sacrifice of himself for the sake of his team?
Take Matt Stafford for example. Injuries be damned, you ain't taking me out. Pain tolerance can't be measured, especially in the heat of battle.
Some guys change when they put on the uniform and get on the field. Cooper Kupp comes to mind. Can analytics measure that?
Some things analytics can't replace what seasoned scouts see through long observations. Guts, the fire of competition in their belly, desire to win.

Just sayin, analytics misses a lot

 

[FarNorth]

The Rams seem to be very successful with their use of analytics. By many accounts they are a leader in measuring player attributes to NFL level attributes with deep data. I think our late round success in the draft supports they have something going here.

The secret sauce appears combining those physical traits to character traits.

At this point I think we all agree… Our use of analytics seems really strong and important to the organization.

If they are good at draft analytics, it would make sense that they would be good at game day analytics as well. Right?

I posted this video before but it didn’t go anywhere. This video pretty much demonstrates with data you should “never run the ball”.

The league is a passing league.

I put this topic up because there is frustration with McVay’s fascination passing the ball. The data suggests thats the way to move the ball the most. Pass, pass, pass.

You got to watch at least 6 min to get the point. THE ENTIRE VIDEO IS WORTH IT.

The main point of the video is pay vs performance at the RB position. He makes a slam dunk point there.

Should make good discussion.


View: https://youtu.be/eYJyUA08uZs?si=k-ZjJDx-6h2nASy4

If analytics are driving Rams' play calling, they or it should be fired. Maybe AI can take over play calling and do a better job in the near future...

 

[NYCRam]

While I agree analytics can be a big part of assessing players, there is a huge amount of what a player has that can't be measured. Take the combine for example. Speed, strength, quickness are all qualitative. But how do you measure how much a player is willing to sacrifice of himself for the sake of his team?
Take Matt Stafford for example. Injuries be damned, you ain't taking me out. Pain tolerance can't be measured, especially in the heat of battle.
Some guys change when they put on the uniform and get on the field. Cooper Kupp comes to mind. Can analytics measure that?
Some things analytics can't replace what seasoned scouts see through long observations. Guts, the fire of competition in their belly, desire to win.

Just sayin, analytics misses a lot

Analytics ruined Baseball, Analytics ruined Basketball, I'm sure it's well on it's way to ruining Football too.

 

[OldSchool]

While I agree analytics can be a big part of assessing players, there is a huge amount of what a player has that can't be measured. Take the combine for example. Speed, strength, quickness are all qualitative. But how do you measure how much a player is willing to sacrifice of himself for the sake of his team?
Take Matt Stafford for example. Injuries be damned, you ain't taking me out. Pain tolerance can't be measured, especially in the heat of battle.
Some guys change when they put on the uniform and get on the field. Cooper Kupp comes to mind. Can analytics measure that?
Some things analytics can't replace what seasoned scouts see through long observations. Guts, the fire of competition in their belly, desire to win.

Just sayin, analytics misses a lot

And I agree you can't measure heart or a players lack of it. If you could Chase Young and Jadeveon Clowney would be on the way to the Hall of Fame right now.

Where the Rams and their analytics are noticeable is in their lack of scouting the underwear Olympics at the combine. Thank God the Rams don't put much stock in that and especially 40 times, such an over rated stat.

 

[kurtfaulk]

While I agree analytics can be a big part of assessing players, there is a huge amount of what a player has that can't be measured. Take the combine for example. Speed, strength, quickness are all qualitative. But how do you measure how much a player is willing to sacrifice of himself for the sake of his team?
Take Matt Stafford for example. Injuries be damned, you ain't taking me out. Pain tolerance can't be measured, especially in the heat of battle.
Some guys change when they put on the uniform and get on the field. Cooper Kupp comes to mind. Can analytics measure that?
Some things analytics can't replace what seasoned scouts see through long observations. Guts, the fire of competition in their belly, desire to win.

Just sayin, analytics misses a lot

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[Neil039]

ANALY TICS as Sean Connery would say

 

[TSFH Fan]

Analytics is a Les thing, not a Sean thing.
Demoff said so at a Sloan seminar -- I'll try to find it.
As proof on McVay, fourth-and-1 from their own 30, with five minutes to go in the Super Bowl, with all their time outs, McMay went for it. The analytics move was to kick.

Edit: Proof 2 - It was the draft behind the scenes episode of, I think, behind the grind. Les is trying to decide on a player and McVay tells him, basically, to go with his gut. Yeah, gut = not analytics.

Edit 2:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBa5bik6tHY

 

[Soul Surfer]

Analytics is a Les thing, not a Sean thing.
Demoff said so at a Sloan seminar -- I'll try to find it.
As proof on McVay, fourth-and-1 from their own 30, with five minutes to go in the Super Bowl, with all their time outs, McMay went for it. The analytics move was to kick.

Edit: Proof 2 - It was the draft behind the scenes episode of, I think, behind the grind. Les is trying to decide on a player and McVay tells him, basically, to go with his gut. Yeah, gut = not analytics.

Edit 2:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBa5bik6tHY

That's actually "evidence" but not necessarily proof

 

[Ellard80]

Analytics ruined Baseball, Analytics ruined Basketball, I'm sure it's well on it's way to ruining Football too.

The NBA is much better now than in the late 80's and 90's... was a hack fest with low scoring games.

Baseball id agree with.

 

[NYCRam]

The NBA is much better now than in the late 80's and 90's... was a hack fest with low scoring games.

Baseball id agree with.

Not to me. The 3-point line ruined that game. Perverted it totally. Should only be allowed to use it in the last 2 minutes of a quarter. Half court basketball and mid-range jumpers are a thing of the past. It was beautiful.

 

[dieterbrock]

The NBA is much better now than in the late 80's and 90's... was a hack fest with low scoring games.

Baseball id agree with.

Now its all 3 pointers and no defense
NBA is unwatchable nowadays
Thank god college basketball still exists

 

[shovelpass]

I still watch the NBA, but it's the refs and the flopping that frustrates me.

 

[NYCRam]

Now its all 3 pointers and no defense
NBA is unwatchable nowadays
Thank god college basketball still exists

Agree. Unwatchable.

 

[OldSchool]

Euro step and the lack of officiating killed it for me. Baseball doesn't bother me but it's my 3rd favorite sport anyways.

 

[Allen2McVay]

Now its all 3 pointers and no defense
NBA is unwatchable nowadays
...

But ... But ... But ... There's this FANTASTIC In-Season-Tournament to enjoy!

 

[Oregonram]

Not to me. The 3-point line ruined that game. Perverted it totally. Should only be allowed to use it in the last 2 minutes of a quarter. Half court basketball and mid-range jumpers are a thing of the past. It was beautiful.

I agree with you...I haven't been able to watch NBA basketball since the 90's...seems like it is now all branding and look at me and one on one battles. The only team aspect left is pushing the ball inside in order to pass to an open 3 point shooter. yuck

 

[NYCRam]

I agree with you...I haven't been able to watch NBA basketball since the 90's...seems like it is now all branding and look at me and one on one battles. The only team aspect left is pushing the ball inside in order to pass to an open 3 point shooter. yuck

'70s and '80s basketball was so great. The only basketball I watch is during the off season when NBA network shows all the great matchups between the Celtics and Lakers and Pistons. Why was it great? The 3-point line was an afterthought.

 

[gogoat1]

The NBA is much better now than in the late 80's and 90's... was a hack fest with low scoring games.

Baseball id agree with.

The NBA is now TERRIBLE !
Low post play (my favorite) is a thing of the past. The true "Power Forward", Kareem's Sky Hook is gone and now we have 3 pointers any NBA player can hit.
3 point line should have been left where it started.
Watching the Warriors throw up bombs sucks.
Was a Laker fan but now can not stand watching them. Especially since the got Le smallpecker.
Not a Celtic fan but watching Kevin M. in the low post was a sight to see.

 

[AZRams]

Not to me. The 3-point line ruined that game. Perverted it totally. Should only be allowed to use it in the last 2 minutes of a quarter. Half court basketball and mid-range jumpers are a thing of the past. It was beautiful.

I watched a replay of Magic Johnson's first game as a rookie in 1979 (the famous image of Magic jumping into Kareem's arms after he hit a sky-hook for the win) recently.

On defense there was no one above the FT line extended. 10 bodies all jostling for position in and right around the key.

Totally different game...