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[ArkyRamsFan]

Only 11 snaps for Atwell is way too low. As soon as Sauce went out of the game Coach Mac should have called some shots against his replacement by sending Atwell deep.

Also becoming apparent that B. Brown will need to be replaced next year.
This is a great draft for getting a huge, big boy D tackle.

~ArkyRamsFan~

 

[InfiniteRam]

Only 11 snaps for Atwell is way too low. As soon as Sauce went out of the game Coach Mac should have called some shots against his replacement by sending Atwell deep.

Also becoming apparent that B. Brown will need to be replaced next year.
This is a great draft for getting a huge, big boy D tackle.

~ArkyRamsFan~

Yes, do not understand why Robinson continues to get so many snaps, when he seemingly brings so little to the passing attack.

Would also like to see Young's snaps go down at LB. He is producing nothing. Not a single QB hit in five games.

 

[PhillyRam]

Would also like to see Young's snaps go down at LB. He is producing nothing. Not a single QB hit in five games.

Really, this team needs a pass rushing freak at edge.

Verse is going to be more a long the lines of a strong-side end. Plays with power, holds the edge and will push the pocket to get pressures. Kind of like a Chris Long at best. However, he will never have the bend & lean to be an elite pass rusher off the edge. Probably a guy that maxes out at a 8 sack a year.

Young is similar in that while he has speed to get there on stunts, he will not be able to beat a decent RT with any regularity. So if he could move inside someday, getting a more elite edge rusher would bring the D to a new level.

Will be interesting if they still try to upgrade edge this year to improve the pass rush.

 

[Flatlyner]

Only 11 snaps for Atwell is way too low. As soon as Sauce went out of the game Coach Mac should have called some shots against his replacement by sending Atwell deep.

Also becoming apparent that B. Brown will need to be replaced next year.
This is a great draft for getting a huge, big boy D tackle.

~ArkyRamsFan~

Seriously baffling. And he had one catch/target, but it was a huge catch. Atwell is clutch and has the most speed of our WR's by a large margin. Are they trying to keep his extension low or something? Saving the deep shots for playoffs to catch teams off guard? Hope there is some kind of plan in place.

 

[brucebruce]

the competition for "mr/mrs never happy" is off to a strong start.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Bobby Brown and Des Johnson are both better than Gallimore imo.

Gallimore’s PFF grade was bad once again. I’d give BB more snaps.

Maybe another DT or two will be added in the offseason. Galimore isn’t getting it done.

 

[PhillyRam]

the competition for "mr/mrs never happy" is off to a strong start.

It's not that... thrilled with the teams progress. It's just that I like looking at football from a GMs perspective as a wannabe GM...LOL!!

I am just stating how they can become a 14-3 team. What's missing? What can be improved? That's all.

 

[DzRams]

Really, this team needs a pass rushing freak at edge.

Verse is going to be more a long the lines of a strong-side end. Plays with power, holds the edge and will push the pocket to get pressures. Kind of like a Chris Long at best. However, he will never have the bend & lean to be an elite pass rusher off the edge. Probably a guy that maxes out at a 8 sack a year.

Young is similar in that while he has speed to get there on stunts, he will not be able to beat a decent RT with any regularity. So if he could move inside someday, getting a more elite edge rusher would bring the D to a new level.

Will be interesting if they still try to upgrade edge this year to improve the pass rush.

Agreed on Young. They could use an upgrade there. He's more of a cleanup sack guy.

I have to disagree on Verse though. (I held your opinion before drafting him and now admit to being wrong.) He doesn't have double digit sacks now because he's missed so many tackles, but he's gotten there with his current skillset.

Also, he's top 5 in all of the pass rush metrics as a rookie so to say he can't be an elite pass rusher off the edge doesn't seem to align with facts. His power is rare and more than compensates for him not having the elite bend.

 

[den-the-coach]

Only 11 snaps for Atwell is way too low. As soon as Sauce went out of the game Coach Mac should have called some shots against his replacement by sending Atwell deep.

Also becoming apparent that B. Brown will need to be replaced next year.
This is a great draft for getting a huge, big boy D tackle.

~ArkyRamsFan~

I concur I sure wish they would try a deep one to Atwell at least once per game.

 

[DzRams]

Only 11 snaps for Atwell is way too low. As soon as Sauce went out of the game Coach Mac should have called some shots against his replacement by sending Atwell deep.

Also becoming apparent that B. Brown will need to be replaced next year.
This is a great draft for getting a huge, big boy D tackle.

~ArkyRamsFan~

They've already drafted Brown's replacement. Tyler Davis. And his snaps are increasing along with his PFF rating.

They will let Brown walk this off season and plug Davis into his snaps.

 

[shovelpass]

They've already drafted Brown's replacement. Tyler Davis. And his snaps are increasing along with his PFF rating.

They will let Brown walk this off season and plug Davis into his snaps.

I agree. Overall, I like what I've seen of Davis in his limited role. He's built a little like Gaines. A shorter, wide bodied NT.

 

[ArkyRamsFan]

They've already drafted Brown's replacement. Tyler Davis. And his snaps are increasing along with his PFF rating.

They will let Brown walk this off season and plug Davis into his snaps.

Eh...I like Davis and all but he's a bit small for my liking.
I'd prefer a 325 or so guy who can soak up blocks, anchor the middle and force teams to double him.
Was hoping Brown was going to be that guy but guess not...

~ArkyRamsFan~

 

[PhillyRam]

Agreed on Young. They could use an upgrade there. He's more of a cleanup sack guy.

I have to disagree on Verse though. (I held your opinion before drafting him and now admit to being wrong.) He doesn't have double digit sacks now because he's missed so many tackles, but he's gotten there with his current skillset.

Also, he's top 5 in all of the pass rush metrics as a rookie so to say he can't be an elite pass rusher off the edge doesn't seem to align with facts. His power is rare and more than compensates for him not having the elite bend.

There are guys that are more "get close" guys as opposed a guy that comes tearing in off edge, beating their guy quickly and gets the sack.

I am not bashing him as his skill set is very helpful in collapsing an edge, or stunting and collapsing a pocket, but I think he will always be more of a high pressure rate guy than a high sack total guy.

Jadaveon Clowney is kind of similar. At his best, creates havoc, but doesn't get a ton of sacks.

 

[RhodyRams]

I concur I sure wish they would try a deep one to Atwell at least once per game.

this should be posted after each and every Rams game

You reading this Sean?

 

[Jacobarch]

Really, this team needs a pass rushing freak at edge.

Verse is going to be more a long the lines of a strong-side end. Plays with power, holds the edge and will push the pocket to get pressures. Kind of like a Chris Long at best. However, he will never have the bend & lean to be an elite pass rusher off the edge. Probably a guy that maxes out at a 8 sack a year.

Young is similar in that while he has speed to get there on stunts, he will not be able to beat a decent RT with any regularity. So if he could move inside someday, getting a more elite edge rusher would bring the D to a new level.

Will be interesting if they still try to upgrade edge this year to improve the pass rush.

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I think Verse has hit what you might call the proverbial rookie wall. His bull rush, which he’s so effective at, can only take him so far in the NFL. Teams will inevitably adjust. However, from what I’ve seen, I believe Verse has the potential to surpass Chris Long in his career with the Rams. He’s just built differently.
That said, I agree with the need for the Rams to find a quick-twitch defensive end, one who specializes in passing downs. I’m not sure if that player is out there in free agency or the draft, but it’s definitely a gap in the roster.
Looking ahead at the direction the NFL is moving, I think it’s crucial for the Rams to address the interior defensive line. With our smaller, more athletic inside linebackers, we could really benefit from a dominant, run-stuffing defensive tackle. The league is shifting towards a more smash-mouth style of football, and the statistics support this shift. I believe I was the one who pointed out that rushing attempts are up and passing attempts are down by a margin we haven’t seen since 2012. Teams are starting to adjust their rosters to reflect this change. If you look at teams like the Lions, Eagles, Ravens, Packers, and Bills, there’s a clear trend: they all rank in the top ten in rushing and have some of the best records in the league. Sure, there are outliers like Minnesota, but even they’re top 15 in rushing.
With that in mind, the Rams need to be cautious about investing too much capital in a pass rusher, especially when there are more pressing needs on defense right now—namely defensive tackle, inside linebacker, and cornerback.

 

[Merlin]

The games where Atwell was relied upon more were the games when Kupp and Nacua were out. And he didn't do shit.

So Atwell is not clutch. If you want to know what a clutch wideout of the small variety looks like it is Steve Smith. Atwell is a third wideout who is best served in the slot or the Z spot to allow him space to get off the LOS but he cannot carry an offense in that role. In other words defenses can nullify him quite easily. If his head was screwed on straight he could be an Az Hakim for us. So maybe he can get to that type of level, but this offense is better off with him on the bench because the journeyman wideout Robinson routinely outperforms him.

Also I have no problem with them sending him deep and stretching the field. But he doesn't draw safeties like good wideouts who have speed will.

Building up Atwell to be significant is no different than talking up some of these other subpar options on this roster who were not able to step up in the absence of actual good players. Like the entire TE room for example. None of them are really worth a shit outside of occasionally putting the ball on them as a surprise to the defense.

 

[Merlin]

I am very appreciative of how Spoon has played for us since his return. The impact that has had on the defense demonstrates what a top notch corner could do for us. But unfortunately it looks like our downfall in the playoffs will come from an opposing passing game. Just a matter of time, as in the first team who can protect their QB will turn the game into a track meet.

 

[OldSchool]

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I think Verse has hit what you might call the proverbial rookie wall. His bull rush, which he’s so effective at, can only take him so far in the NFL. Teams will inevitably adjust. However, from what I’ve seen, I believe Verse has the potential to surpass Chris Long in his career with the Rams. He’s just built differently.
That said, I agree with the need for the Rams to find a quick-twitch defensive end, one who specializes in passing downs. I’m not sure if that player is out there in free agency or the draft, but it’s definitely a gap in the roster.
Looking ahead at the direction the NFL is moving, I think it’s crucial for the Rams to address the interior defensive line. With our smaller, more athletic inside linebackers, we could really benefit from a dominant, run-stuffing defensive tackle. The league is shifting towards a more smash-mouth style of football, and the statistics support this shift. I believe I was the one who pointed out that rushing attempts are up and passing attempts are down by a margin we haven’t seen since 2012. Teams are starting to adjust their rosters to reflect this change. If you look at teams like the Lions, Eagles, Ravens, Packers, and Bills, there’s a clear trend: they all rank in the top ten in rushing and have some of the best records in the league. Sure, there are outliers like Minnesota, but even they’re top 15 in rushing.
With that in mind, the Rams need to be cautious about investing too much capital in a pass rusher, especially when there are more pressing needs on defense right now—namely defensive tackle, inside linebacker, and cornerback.

I think he's playing just as good. Better even since he's setting the edge very very well.

 

[Merlin]

Verse is really a classic 4-3 end. He's got that rangy build with power to handle the OTs in the run game. So a guy like that can play anywhere on a DL, granted the nose isn't ideal but he could play any B or C gap with any technique.

He does seem well suited to the left side (over the RT) but when you're as effective as he is in any usage that means he can be moved to match up with the weakest link on the opposing line.

It would be nice to see Young get on a roll here soon. Seems like he'll remain an effort sack producer (low pressure output) but he is quite good vs the run, hard to break contain on. Much harder to get around, for example, than Verse who gets caught inside quite a bit more it seems.

Verse / Fiske / XXXXX / Turner / Young

That's how I see our existing DL as things stand. Turner & Fiske are plus starters, Verse is elite. Young is solid. So a stud NT would put this front over the top. No OL would be able to handle them. And if that comes let's say round 3, with a good corner at the top... We would have an elite defense.