Recency Bias and the Rams Oline

[Loyal]

By the end of last year, our Oline was playing better than when the rookies and/or young back ups were thrown to the wolves as injuries mounted.
We know that Whit and Austin Blythe will man the Center and LT positions. It's the rest of the positions that seem to be in question
1. Havenstein: Dude is a tackle and nothing else, which is fine if he plays a strong RT. Last season he was anything but strong before getting knocked out with an injury. However, it's reported that he had been playing injured and might be ready for a 2018 resurgence.
2. Noteboom: It seems like a distant memory when we all believed that Boom would replace Whit at LT. He doesn't have a great injury history with the Rams, but he still has the talent that the Rams talent evaluators saw as LT worthy.
3. Edwards: Good and the bad, as he was inconsistent. Still, he looked good at times when he should have gotten killed by an excellent Dline.
4. Corbett: He seems to be only a back-up to me.

The recency bias comment is more having to do with Noteboom, because ever since he got hurt, people have dismissed him and never mention him in that way anymore. Not me.

 

[thirteen28]

By the end of last year, our Oline was playing better than when the rookies and/or young back ups were thrown to the wolves as injuries mounted.
We know that Whit and Austin Blythe will man the Center and LT positions. It's the rest of the positions that seem to be in question
1. Havenstein: Dude is a tackle and nothing else, which is fine if he plays a strong RT. Last season he was anything but strong before getting knocked out with an injury. However, it's reported that he had been playing injured and might be ready for a 2018 resurgence.
2. Noteboom: It seems like a distant memory when we all believed that Boom would replace Whit at LT. He doesn't have a great injury history with the Rams, but he still has the talent that the Rams talent evaluators saw as LT worthy.
3. Edwards: Good and the bad, as he was inconsistent. Still, he looked good at times when he should have gotten killed by an excellent Dline.
4. Corbett: He seems to be only a back-up to me.

The recency bias comment is more having to do with Noteboom, because ever since he got hurt, people have dismissed him and never mention him in that way anymore. Not me.

You forgot Evans.

Noteboom was just miscast as a guard. Like Havs, he's a tackle and a tackle only. I'm guessing he'll start this season on the PUP anyway.

As far as Edwards and Evans, while there was some inconsistency there, you have to remember they were both rookies and both thrown into the fire well before the were supposed to be. And still they helped stabilize the line to at least be ok and certainly better than in the first half of the season. And those reps they got in real live game action are going to be invaluable moving forward.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

Nobody knows if Noteboom can play good left tackle or not. So it's impossible for any of us I say he can. But based on the simplethings, like strength and technique in the run game, I think we have more evidence that he's nothing special.

Don't get rocked into thinking the Oline is greatly i.proved. Much of the preseason success relied heavily in Goff rolling out We won't really know anything certain about the new guys until we see them play. They all needed improvement, so did they improove?

Then when it comes to Blythe and Whit we know know what we have. So right now I can't get excited about the Oline until I see p roff.

 

[Corbin]

By the end of last year, our Oline was playing better than when the rookies and/or young back ups were thrown to the wolves as injuries mounted.
We know that Whit and Austin Blythe will man the Center and LT positions. It's the rest of the positions that seem to be in question
1. Havenstein: Dude is a tackle and nothing else, which is fine if he plays a strong RT. Last season he was anything but strong before getting knocked out with an injury. However, it's reported that he had been playing injured and might be ready for a 2018 resurgence.
2. Noteboom: It seems like a distant memory when we all believed that Boom would replace Whit at LT. He doesn't have a great injury history with the Rams, but he still has the talent that the Rams talent evaluators saw as LT worthy.
3. Edwards: Good and the bad, as he was inconsistent. Still, he looked good at times when he should have gotten killed by an excellent Dline.
4. Corbett: He seems to be only a back-up to me.

The recency bias comment is more having to do with Noteboom, because ever since he got hurt, people have dismissed him and never mention him in that way anymore. Not me.

My biggest concern this season. Praying those young guys get another off season and weight room time that gets them to be at least average this year. Anything compared to last year.

 

[Loyal]

Nobody knows if Noteboom can play good left tackle or not. So it's impossible for any of us I say he can. But based on the simplethings, like strength and technique in the run game, I think we have more evidence that he's nothing special.

Don't get rocked into thinking the Oline is greatly i.proved. Much of the preseason success relied heavily in Goff rolling out We won't really know anything certain about the new guys until we see them play. They all needed improvement, so did they improove?

Then when it comes to Blythe and Whit we know know what we have. So right now I can't get excited about the Oline until I see p roff.

As far as Noteboom goes, isn't the LT position more about pass blocking? We are spoiled with Whit because he can do it all, yet, if Noteboom is all about redirection of defensive ends and he's good at doing that, then that is a helluva start. You are right, we can't say for sure about him, yet the Rams coaching staff have chosen to keep him around, and every once in a while I've heard Snead or McVay point toward Noteboom when discussing our lack of talent as being an answer to that, when he becomes healthy.

 

[Loyal]

My biggest concern this season. Praying those young guys get another off season and weight room time that gets them to be at least average this year. Anything compared to last year.

They became a more cohesive unit at the end of the year, so there is that. Hopefully we can a really good olineman in the draft.

 

[MachS]

Looks like it will be another crap shoot OL thrown together with not enough talent nor experience, just like last year. With a question mark at RB and a QB who is horrible under pressure.

When the most talented lineman you have is 38 and could retire any day.......

 

[Loyal]

Looks like it will be another crap shoot OL thrown together with not enough talent nor experience, just like last year. With a question mark at RB and a QB who is horrible under pressure.

When the most talented lineman you have is 38 and could retire any day.......

Well, the "crapshoot" Oline has a year of experience together in real NFL games. They were better by years end, helped by Goff roll-outs. We'll see.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

As far as Noteboom goes, isn't the LT position more about pass blocking? We are spoiled with Whit because he can do it all, yet, if Noteboom is all about redirection of defensive ends and he's good at doing that, then that is a helluva start. You are right, we can't say for sure about him, yet the Rams coaching staff have chosen to keep him around, and every once in a while I've heard Snead or McVay point toward Noteboom when discussing our lack of talent as being an answer to that, when he becomes healthy.

They said they same stuff about Allen. They had Denny as the main back up off the bench. The Oline will be a major concern for me, until it isnt.

 

[Merlin]

I love our second year duo Evans & Edwards. I am cautiously optimistic about Corbett. I think there's a chance Hav bounces back.

But for us to have a top line this year we're going to need 3 positions to improve markedly and both Whit and Blythe to not play poorly. It's entirely possible but we're going to need almost everything to go our way.

 

[Ram_Rally]

Nobody knows if Noteboom can play good left tackle or not. So it's impossible for any of us I say he can. But based on the simplethings, like strength and technique in the run game, I think we have more evidence that he's nothing special.

Don't get rocked into thinking the Oline is greatly i.proved. Much of the preseason success relied heavily in Goff rolling out We won't really know anything certain about the new guys until we see them play. They all needed improvement, so did they improove?

Then when it comes to Blythe and Whit we know know what we have. So right now I can't get excited about the Oline until I see p roff.

For what it's worth he has gotten snaps at LT in preseason and during the last game of his rookie season. He gave up 0 pressures I believe.

 

[Ram_Rally]

For anyone needing some optimism, the 2016 Rams offensive line was awful and they added two new guys (Whitworth and Sullivan). The other three who were considered jags ended up being pretty decent (Saffold, Havenstein, Brown). It's completely possible that this team doesn't need 3-4 new starters and that Havenstein can return to form.

 

[Elmgrovegnome]

For what it's worth he has gotten snaps at LT in preseason and during the last game of his rookie season. He gave up 0 pressures I believe.

In very low pressure situations. I hope he is a good left tackle, but we still don't have real proof. I would prefer a left tackle that can both pass block and run block. Maybe playing him at guard was an attempt to improve run blocking skills before taking over at LT. A left tackle needs to do both. The one dimensional left tackles are a thing of the past with more sophisticated defenses. Noteboom's second level run blocking was kind of ugly. Neither he nor Allen were good at taking proper angles to make the block.

 

[TexasRam]

Whitworth has lost a step in my book. He can’t handle the inside rush anymore. He will continue to decline each year.

Blythe offers no push in the run game and only serviceable pass pro at center.

Havenstein is an excellent run blocker but struggles with pass pro.

Edwards is solid all around and might get better with experience.

LG - Evans and Corbett. Both need experience and it’s hard to tell if either can be a solid full time guard.

I expect we draft a lineman or two. Best case scenario is we get lucky and land a center or guard that comes in and plays at a high level day 1.

We do have more depth now and that will be better than last years shit show with Demby.

 

[iamme33]

I would like a ol that I could run behind but look at what we have. lt = 38 year old whitworth backed up by noteboom who was exposed as a poor run blocker last year c = blythe who I think will never be more than a good back up. maybe corbett can turn into a good center but don't know rt = havenstien who most think will return to 2018 form but where he came into camp over wt and out of shape I think he got a big pay day and will never be the same. both guards and back up for rt = corbett ( reject from another team ) evens and Edwards( both late rnd picks ) being a late pick doesn't mean they can't be great just makes it very doubtful. any way to get the ol I want we are going to have to get real lucky and cutting gurely will make it likely we use a high pick on a rb so fewer high picks for ol.

 

[BonifayRam]

By the end of last year, our Oline was playing better than when the rookies and/or young back ups were thrown to the wolves as injuries mounted.
We know that Whit and Austin Blythe will man the Center and LT positions. It's the rest of the positions that seem to be in question
1. Havenstein: Dude is a tackle and nothing else, which is fine if he plays a strong RT. Last season he was anything but strong before getting knocked out with an injury. However, it's reported that he had been playing injured and might be ready for a 2018 resurgence.
2. Noteboom: It seems like a distant memory when we all believed that Boom would replace Whit at LT. He doesn't have a great injury history with the Rams, but he still has the talent that the Rams talent evaluators saw as LT worthy.
3. Edwards: Good and the bad, as he was inconsistent. Still, he looked good at times when he should have gotten killed by an excellent Dline.
4. Corbett: He seems to be only a back-up to me.

The recency bias comment is more having to do with Noteboom, because ever since he got hurt, people have dismissed him and never mention him in that way anymore. Not me.

I agree the OL was trending upward in so many elements on how you would measure a functioning operational OL.

Kromers OL had only one original starting OL'er starting in the same post. The slowly trending upward OL was moving on with four new OL starters in new positions. Two were rookies, another OLG was a mid season arrival who was only in his 2nd season. Finally the season ending starting OC Blythe finished 7 gms @ that post. He was performing with two badly damaged shoulders & ankle.

Ref your #1. If Rob Havenstein was playing injured as it was mentioned in forums why did Rob not show up on the official NFL team injury list until wk #11? The "playing injured rumor" is troubling if correct. Would it not be against the NFL rules to have an injured player & not report it? Is this Ram Org. a team that goes about its business in this fashion? Rob Havenstein also was removed from the injury list for wk #15 & never listed again for the rest of the season? He also never saw the playing field again either even as a reserve.

Ref your #2 comment's on Joe Noteboom. I fully expect that Whitworth & Noteboom to man the LT post the next two seasons. Noteboom is a OT not a OG. I would expect that by the time the preseason begins we will not see Noteboom on the field.... instead we shall see Evans/Brewer in preseason. Once Noteboom gets up to 100% health, gets up to NFL condition & strength he will eventually share series of snaps with Whitworth during regular season. Noteboom is going to be groomed to replace Whitworth @ the starting LT post in the future. Plus Whitworth will need the needed breaks @ his advaned age.

Ref.#3 on David Edwards...this 3rd day drafted rookie who played primarily RT his entire college career started preseason & regular season games @ four different OL posts. Edwards opened the regular season as Whitworth's relief during regular season practices @ Left OT. Edwards continued to practice @ LT until the Noteboom/Demby LG events. That's when rookie Edwards started 3 gms @ Left OG. When Allen was injured Edwards moved to a new starting post @ RG for the rest of the season. I would expect some inconsistencies after going through all that discombobulation & disorder with so many contrasting different posts during his rookie season.

Ref#4. on starting LG Austin Corbett had only started 1 gm his rookie season @ RT for the Browns in 2018 before he arrived here in LA. Corbett was grabbed away from Cleveland @ the last minute of the 2019 deadline & arrived in lA during an ongoing OL calamity of devoid any previous Rams TC or preseason experience. Corbett became a starter after the Rams OL underwent injuries to 4 starters (Blythe/ Noteboom/ Allen/ Havenstein & our #6 OL'er Jamil Demby total failure). Under this difficulty Corbett was inserted & gave a much better overall LG performance than Noteboom & Demby.

 

[Loyal]

I agree the OL was trending upward in so many elements on how you would measure a functioning operational OL.

Kromers OL had only one original starting OL'er starting in the same post. The slowly trending upward OL was moving on with four new OL starters in new positions. Two were rookies, another OLG was a mid season arrival who was only in his 2nd season. Finally the season ending starting OC Blythe finished 7 gms @ that post. He was performing with two badly damaged shoulders & ankle.

Ref your #1. If Rob Havenstein was playing injured as it was mentioned in forums why did Rob not show up on the official NFL team injury list until wk #11? The "playing injured rumor" is troubling if correct. Would it not be against the NFL rules to have an injured player & not report it? Is this Ram Org. a team that goes about its business in this fashion? Rob Havenstein also was removed from the injury list for wk #15 & never listed again for the rest of the season? He also never saw the playing field again either even as a reserve.

Ref your #2 comment's on Joe Noteboom. I fully expect that Whitworth & Noteboom to man the LT post the next two seasons. Noteboom is a OT not a OG. I would expect that by the time the preseason begins we will note see Noteboom on the field instead we shall see some Evans/Brewer in preseason. Once Noteboom gets up to 100% health, gets up to NFL condition & strength he will eventually share series of snaps with Whitworth during regular season. Noteboom is going to be groomed to replace Whitworth @ the starting LT post in the future.

Ref.#3 on David Edwards...this 3rd day drafted rookie who played primarily RT his entire college career started preseason & regular season games @ four different OL posts. Edwards opened the regular season as Whitworth's relief during regular season practices @ Left OT. Edwards continued to practice @ LT until the Noteboom/Demby LG events. That's when rookie Edwards started 3 gms @ Left OG. When Allen was injured Edwards moved to a new starting post @ RG for the rest of the season. I would expect some inconsistencies after going through all that discombobulation & disorder with so many contrasting different posts during his rookie season.

Ref#4. on starting LG Austin Corbett had only started 1 gm his rookie season @ RT for the Browns in 2018 before he arrived here in LA. Corbett was grabbed away from Cleveland @ the last minute of the 2019 deadline & arrived in lA during an ongoing OL calamity of devoid any previous Rams TC or preseason experience. Corbett became a starter after the Rams OL underwent injuries to 4 starters (Blythe/ Noteboom/ Allen/ Havenstein & our #6 OL'er Jamil Demby total failure). Under this difficulty Corbett was inserted & gave a much better overall LG performance than Noteboom & Demby.

My reply to your comments on Havenstein's possible unreported injury, I point toward Todd Gurley. Gurley was rpresented as healthy by McVay, but he obviously wasn't right, whether physically or mentally. Believing that to be true, it's no stretch for me to believe that Hav could have been hurt and it wasn't reported before the final injury.

 

[Loyal]

I love our second year duo Evans & Edwards. I am cautiously optimistic about Corbett. I think there's a chance Hav bounces back.

But for us to have a top line this year we're going to need 3 positions to improve markedly and both Whit and Blythe to not play poorly. It's entirely possible but we're going to need almost everything to go our way.

We'll see.....but the real question I have for you is when will you get a Richardson avatar!?

 

[AlphaRam]

Looks like it will be another crap shoot OL thrown together with not enough talent nor experience, just like last year. With a question mark at RB and a QB who is horrible under pressure.

When the most talented lineman you have is 38 and could retire any day.......

Yeah it's rough. They had no choice but to bring Whitworth back. We have no first rounder in a position group that's top heavy, we have no cap space to sign the top guys and after that the drop off is huge. We weren't getting anyone better than Whitworth at 38 years old this off-season unfortunately.

 

[rams1fan]

The fact rams signed whit and Blythe shows me the backups are not ready. Especially considering our cap situation.