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Since we are on QB watch, need to view Carden today. Plus, Florida has four or so big uglies coming out that could get mid to late consideration.
Florida has gobs of defensive talent. This will be a great test for Carden and WR Justin Hardy.
I know one thing for a fact, everyone see's QB's differently, we all, including coaches and GM's, see attributes that we like, think are more important than others, etc, and that why QB's are such a polarizing subject. I don't like Carden as a prospect.I haven't seen a lot of any of the qb's outside of Winston, and none of Petty, but I think I like Grayson the most outside of Winston. Carden reminds me of Davis, in this game, anyway.
I know one thing for a fact, everyone see's QB's differently, we all, including coaches and GM's, see attributes that we like, think are more important than others, etc, and that why QB's are such a polarizing subject. I don't like Carden as a prospect.
I agree with you here, I don't think either of those are upgrades, and I don't see upside, but I can see Petty being an NFL player. Why waist a draft pick, even if it's a lower one, unless the guy you take has a high upside.It is only one game, but he took some sacks when I thought he could throw the ball away. Quite frankly if the Rams go the draft route I doubt that wait on Grayson or even Carden, they most likely go Petty if his back checks out, just not sure if Petty is a 2nd round pick or 3rd round, but I am sure there will be many mock drafts that will showcase where he goes.
The thing I'm struck by in games like the Florida/ECU game are that there are so many phenomenal athletes, but such a void of traditional skill at the QB position across college football. I think the NFL will have to adapt. Other than Luck, nearly all the best NFL qbs are closer to retirement than their rookie season. I think that is where Seattle is ahead of the curve.I know one thing for a fact, everyone see's QB's differently, we all, including coaches and GM's, see attributes that we like, think are more important than others, etc, and that why QB's are such a polarizing subject. I don't like Carden as a prospect.
I agree with you here, I don't think either of those are upgrades, and I don't see upside, but I can see Petty being an NFL player. Why waist a draft pick, even if it's a lower one, unless the guy you take has a high upside.
Good point.The thing I'm struck by in games like the Florida/ECU game are that there are so many phenomenal athletes, but such a void of traditional skill at the QB position across college football. I think the NFL will have to adapt. Other than Luck, nearly all the best NFL qbs are closer to retirement than their rookie season. I think that is where Seattle is ahead of the curve.
Should be a great test for Carden I like him later and as of right now unless the Rams can trade up for one of the two my hope next year would be Petty first and than Carden secondary.
I recall not too long ago that Christian Ponder and Blaine Gabbert were taken in the first half of the first round. It seems that if a college QB has ANY good attributes teams move on them. I hope that changes and teams have learned their lesson but I doubt it.
I agree with you here, I don't think either of those are upgrades, and I don't see upside, but I can see Petty being an NFL player. Why waist a draft pick, even if it's a lower one, unless the guy you take has a high upside.
How do I know? I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass, it's very hard to tell, but like I've said numerous times, it's more of what attributes do you love, because that is what scouts and GM's fall in love with. Some things thay consider workable, some things they don't. For instance, Tebow was off a lot of guys boards, because of his horrid release, although he had so many things that most would consider being "other" great attributes, like being a proven winner, and incredible leader, as well as having a very good height/strength/speed ratio. I didn't think Tebow would make it, and that was by what I saw of him, and projecting him to the NFL. I did, however, love a lot of things about him. I wish he would have tried to play h-Back or something, because he IS a football player, just not a QB.But how do you know who has the huge upside? Seems to me that a lot of the best guys at QB taken(or not taken) outside the first round weren't considered huge upside picks.
How do I know? I'm not going to blow smoke up your ass, it's very hard to tell, but like I've said numerous times, it's more of what attributes do you love, because that is what scouts and GM's fall in love with. Some things thay consider workable, some things they don't. For instance, Tebow was off a lot of guys boards, because of his horrid release, although he had so many things that most would consider being "other" great attributes, like being a proven winner, and incredible leader, as well as having a very good height/strength/speed ratio. I didn't think Tebow would make it, and that was by what I saw of him, and projecting him to the NFL. I did, however, love a lot of things about him. I wish he would have tried to play h-Back or something, because he IS a football player, just not a QB.
Now, let's take Brady. Skinny ass kid, with a pretty good arm, had a hard time getting on the field, but he had a thirst for the game, was super competitive, played big boy football, at a high level. He has ideal height, and was worth taking a chance on. He wasn't considered a high pick, I didn't see him as a high pick, nobody did. Believe me, everybody is looking for the next Brady. This is common knowledge.
I watched Rodgers play a lot of football in college at Cal, and i couldn't believe how many teams passed on him. I was literally screaming at the TV, "You guys are idiots!"
How do I know, I don't for sure, it's just my opinion, and if it's me, I'd go for the kind of kid out of Ohio St., who IMO, has a huge upside with all the tools to go with it. Almost every tool, but a small sample size. A very quality sample size, but a small one. Is he ready? No. Is he worth ta draft pick and trying to develop him, hell yes.
If I see guys improve, and rarely make the same mistake twice, and they have other attributes that I like, I think that they have the ability to learn and improve. If I see guys with a fatal flaw, or can't learn from mistakes, then I pass. Thing is, I don't know these kids personally, or enough to make that call, unless i see, or read things about them that show me what they have in their hearts, their love for the game, and wanting to be the best. That is the thing that can elevate guys like Brady, etc.
There are an infinite amount of other things to consider, such as team fit, etc. It's just my opinion, but I base it on watching them play, and reading reports about them, etc. If I know nothing about a guy, I don't comment on him. Guys like Russel Wilson, and Doug Flutie are the exception, not the rule, but i don't count guys out like that, because of how short they are. Wilson and Flutie both passed my eyeball test. All things being equal, I'd take a chance on a guy like Jones, if I know he has a real passion for football. Is that fair?
I don't see any, what I'd say were "can't miss" guys in this draft. I thought that with Bradford, and Luck, and Rodgers, and I won't go back any further than that.
I watched Carden and yeah gotta agree with previous mentions that he took some bad sacks. He is very much a mid to late round QB who could go a little earlier due to some team reaching for the position. To me the dude is nothing special, I don't like his decision making seems slow to me and he's not good feeling the rush. Problem here, in his favor, is it seemed like his WRs weren't getting open quickly but he's not notably accurate either. So as usual with him I came away unimpressed.