Orlovsky On Stafford

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Are you guys forgetting that Matt Fucking Stafford brought his team back on a late 4th quarter comeback with the lead and less than a minute to go.............................. and lost....................... for the 2nd week in a row !
Might not be at his best, but he did enough to win.
We scored 16 points against a terrible Cardinals defense. Stafford did not do enough for us to win. If we had scored 30 points and lost, I'd agree. The defense kept Arizona out of the end zone, keeping us in the game. Stafford and the O didn't do their part.
 
Why is it Stafford is excellent at the end of games and our offense is humming when in that mode?.

I think it has something to do with the methodical, careful approach we take before that.

The offensive problems in my opinion is very much due to approach just as our defense is.

Be aggressive. Wire these guys with some stimulants and play with fast aggressive approach not caring about mistakes. It puts the defense in a bind when we do this.
I think we've been playing not to lose, and everybody seems tense out there and on sidelines. Even Q alluded to that this week.
 
Are you guys forgetting that Matt Fucking Stafford brought his team back on a late 4th quarter comeback with the lead and less than a minute to go.............................. and lost....................... for the 2nd week in a row !
Might not be at his best, but he did enough to win.
NFL teams lose on average 80%-85% of the time when the offense only scores 16 points. Stafford came through late for a TD but he didn't do enough to win overall.
 
Im in the camp (if there is a camp) that says the issues on offense are more related to the predictable, somewhat stale, unimaginative play calling and the lack of true playmakers.

Stafford is no MVP this year. Not even in that conversation. He’s still been clutch when clutch is needed. He’s not losing games.

He does look mentally tired though. He’s not ready to compete early in games.
 
Only 4 teams haven given up more rushing yards than the Raiduhs have, so far.
Ball control .......... we need to win the TO and TOP battles.
Which likely means we come out throwing early & often. Like 75-80% lol
 

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Stafford is in absolutely zero danger of losing his job unless he plays like he did in week 1 for a month straight.
So one straight month on top of a 2-4 record and 20th ranked offense in scoring is where you draw the line then. Good for you.

Hopefully we don't have to see whether McVay has that long of a fuse.

McVay is going to do what he always does when his team goes into the shitter, which is rediscover the run game. Maybe that will make the difference. We'll see.
 
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Imagine a basketball player that hit 90% of his free throws in prior years but is shooting 68% this year. Something has clearly changed! It's irrelevant to mention that other elite shooters also miss free throws. All that matters is that our guy used to be an elite shooter and now he's not.
That is fair, but no one has made any attempt to statistically measure Stafford's "open receiver read and recognition accuracy rate" for any particular season of his career. For all we know, he's not particularly elite in this department. Both Steph Curry and Lebron James are phenomenal basketball players. One of them is a tremendous FT shooter, the other one isn't. Just because Lebron James has NBA titles and MVP awards doesn't mean that he's great at FTs. Maybe Stafford has regularly not seen open WRs over the course of his career, it just isn't something that we've noticed or been concerned with, because his arm talent more than makes up for it, just as Lebron James does so many other things on the basketball court that he doesn't need to be elite at FT shooting.

If we wanted to talk about whether a basketball player's FT shooting had declined, we'd look at the FT stats. We wouldn't stop with anecdotally talking about missing 2 FTs at the end of a game that the team lost and consider it proof of the hypothesis.

Stafford has missed some throws this year, so the issue has been his accuracy more than his vision. Other times he sees an open WR but the pass rush prevents him from making a clean pass. Unless we analyze and breakdown each component in a more scientific way, I think the discussion becomes just speculative and driven by emotion instead of cold, hard facts. It tends to become a Rorschach test where people can see whatever they are inclined to believe about Stafford anyway, whether positive or negative.

Let's take Orlovsky's statement that the issue with Stafford's field vision "isn't bad, but it isn't MVP level". Is that conclusion accurate? It is possible that Orlovsky is wrong and Stafford is statistically "bad" in 2026 with his vision. Not just average, but bottom of the NFL among starting QBs. We don't know unless we try to measure it? Is he better or worse than Justin Herbert, who has terrible traditional stats? Maybe Herbert's vision is better than Stafford's but other factors make Herbert's overall stats worse.

If we look at PFR stats, Stafford already has 7 throwaways is 2026. In the 2021 season where we won the Super Bowl, he had 3 for the entire season. Stafford is on pace to have the most "bad throws" of any season since 2018 (they don't give us stats for earlier years) and the rate for dropped passes is the 3rd highest over that time period (one of the other years was when the Rams squeezed into the playoffs then lost to Detroit in the Wild Card round.)

It is possible that the true outlier season was 2025. That wasn't "the real" Stafford from a statistical standpoint and he was always going to regress to the mean. Is there really something wrong with Stafford in 2026 or are many of these problems things we've seen before and have always been there, we just didn't pay as much attention to them as long as the Rams were winning games?
 
That is fair, but no one has made any attempt to statistically measure Stafford's "open receiver read and recognition accuracy rate" for any particular season of his career. For all we know, he's not particularly elite in this department. Both Steph Curry and Lebron James are phenomenal basketball players. One of them is a tremendous FT shooter, the other one isn't. Just because Lebron James has NBA titles and MVP awards doesn't mean that he's great at FTs. Maybe Stafford has regularly not seen open WRs over the course of his career, it just isn't something that we've noticed or been concerned with, because his arm talent more than makes up for it, just as Lebron James does so many other things on the basketball court that he doesn't need to be elite at FT shooting.

If we wanted to talk about whether a basketball player's FT shooting had declined, we'd look at the FT stats. We wouldn't stop with anecdotally talking about missing 2 FTs at the end of a game that the team lost and consider it proof of the hypothesis.

Stafford has missed some throws this year, so the issue has been his accuracy more than his vision. Other times he sees an open WR but the pass rush prevents him from making a clean pass. Unless we analyze and breakdown each component in a more scientific way, I think the discussion becomes just speculative and driven by emotion instead of cold, hard facts. It tends to become a Rorschach test where people can see whatever they are inclined to believe about Stafford anyway, whether positive or negative.

Let's take Orlovsky's statement that the issue with Stafford's field vision "isn't bad, but it isn't MVP level". Is that conclusion accurate? It is possible that Orlovsky is wrong and Stafford is statistically "bad" in 2026 with his vision. Not just average, but bottom of the NFL among starting QBs. We don't know unless we try to measure it? Is he better or worse than Justin Herbert, who has terrible traditional stats? Maybe Herbert's vision is better than Stafford's but other factors make Herbert's overall stats worse.

If we look at PFR stats, Stafford already has 7 throwaways is 2026. In the 2021 season where we won the Super Bowl, he had 3 for the entire season. Stafford is on pace to have the most "bad throws" of any season since 2018 (they don't give us stats for earlier years) and the rate for dropped passes is the 3rd highest over that time period (one of the other years was when the Rams squeezed into the playoffs then lost to Detroit in the Wild Card round.)

It is possible that the true outlier season was 2025. That wasn't "the real" Stafford from a statistical standpoint and he was always going to regress to the mean. Is there really something wrong with Stafford in 2026 or are many of these problems things we've seen before and have always been there, we just didn't pay as much attention to them as long as the Rams were winning games?
Statistical measures, or objective data, is one way to establish evidence. It's probably my favorite way.

Another valid and commonly accepted way is via expert opinion. If an Orlovsky or Kurt Warner, as experts who have professionally played the position, give an opinion, it carries weight. They could be wrong, but it carries more weight than mine, yours, or a common fans opinion. And typically an expert opinion is not emotionally driven speculation.

In this case, Orlovsky is saying that he's reviewed 6 games and Stafford is missing more reads than in prior years. It was about his reads, not accuracy. It wasn't about a shooter missing 2 FTs at the end of a game. I haven't seen you or Ellard provide any data that counters that. Merely saying that elite FT shooters sometimes miss isn't a counter to an expert claim that he's missing more than normal.

In addition, Orlovsky's expert opinion aligns with what my eyes see and what many other fans are seeing. There is a lot of effort to dismiss a valid expert opinion, without providing data that contradicts his assertion.
 
If Stafford was playing well we would not be 2-4. And when a team like ours is struggling it is the QB everyone looks to in order to get us back on the black side of the ledger.

This game is absolutely massive for him for that and many other reasons. He needs to kick ass this weekend and remind everyone that he's the man.
 
If Stafford was playing well we would not be 2-4. And when a team like ours is struggling it is the QB everyone looks to in order to get us back on the black side of the ledger.

This game is absolutely massive for him for that and many other reasons. He needs to kick ass this weekend and remind everyone that he's the man.

Actually don’t have a good feeling about this game. Sucks to say.That said it depends on more than Stafford as well.

I don’t see this offense functioning like it should.The WR play a big role in all of this & the season could be just about OVER in a way.

Good or bad thing about it all is The Rams have Ty Simpson on the bench waiting for The Rams future

Ram Fans might complain about say drafting Simpson.IMO it’s more about Max Klare who needs to have stepped up . The T FERGUSON injury hurt this Rams offense the most.His upside was what was expected. The results of his absence has basically been The RAMS season . Seriously a KEY INJURY!!
Now the IR LIST is piling up & it’s been costly. Hate to say it,or actually looking forward to seeing TUTU ATWELL get some playing time. I don’t know what his contract is,but $10 million last season just didn’t seem right.Niw that he is on the roster again needs to be used,especially if he is signed through 2027 ?
 
We scored 16 points against a terrible Cardinals defense. Stafford did not do enough for us to win. If we had scored 30 points and lost, I'd agree. The defense kept Arizona out of the end zone, keeping us in the game. Stafford and the O didn't do their part.

I disagree on all parts. The defense did there job & the offense came through in The End .

What ERKS me is SEAN MCVAY & his view of the game. He goes by his GUT & does not TRUST his PLAYERS

That 1 kick OB against Philly shouldn’t have effected Trusting you SPECIAL TEAMS . Ethan kick it into the End Zone Twice is Pathetic!!

The FACT you Kick it if into The End Zone putting ARIZONA at The 35 was RIDICULOUS. The more I think about The LOSS ,that’s what FLASHES back.

Talk about all 3 phases of The GAME !! FREAKING show some BALLS & TRUST your players !!

He use to do that swift kick starting in 2025. Trust it instead of relying TOTALLY on The DEFENSE!!

& yes The defense was on The field to long & Puna got hurt in that last series or SO ??
 
I disagree on all parts. The defense did there job & the offense came through in The End .

What ERKS me is SEAN MCVAY & his view of the game. He goes by his GUT & does not TRUST his PLAYERS

That 1 kick OB against Philly shouldn’t have effected Trusting you SPECIAL TEAMS . Ethan kick it into the End Zone Twice is Pathetic!!

The FACT you Kick it if into The End Zone putting ARIZONA at The 35 was RIDICULOUS. The more I think about The LOSS ,that’s what FLASHES back.

Talk about all 3 phases of The GAME !! FREAKING show some BALLS & TRUST your players !!

He use to do that swift kick starting in 2025. Trust it instead of relying TOTALLY on The DEFENSE!!

& yes The defense was on The field to long & Puna got hurt in that last series or SO ??
Disagree. Doesn't change the fact that the offense scored 16 points against one of the worst defenses in the NFL, and we lost. That's not doing enough to win.