Again. Tell me what the alternative was. Avery? How's he doing, by the way? Divulge your notes from camp and practices that present a strong case for keeping him. No wait. I'll do it for you. "He's fast." His speed is doing wonders for him out in Tennessee, is it not? Maybe there's more to the story than you're aware. Outlandish claim on my part, I know, but I have to wonder if there's any merit to that.RealRamsFan said:Roster building.....Gibson is nothing more than a 4 or a 5 in this league and this regime believed during the off season that he should start. I said it would bite us in the butt...and it has
Jim Thomas, the guy who said the Vermeil experiment was a failed experiment? THAT Jim Thomas. Well why didn't you say so. That's pretty much all we need to know then, I guess. Why is it that when Bradford is injured on a play that should have never happened, Spagnuolo is an idiot. But when he avoids the same problem by just living to fight another day, he's ALSO an idiot. That's the most unconventional approach to criticism I've ever witnessed. But certainly not rare.Culture/Locker room:
A team takes on the HC personality.......and this team may have sunked to a new low with accepting a lose. I do not know how true it is...but when Jim Thomas says that the locker room looked like that....its alarming.
Yeah, he did that during the bye. It's documented. You're essentially putting Spagnuolo in any situation you can to justify his ineptitude. This is your 4th argument for having him fired, and it's the 4th most illogical. Many people have told you that the methodology you're suggesting would have been futile. But even still, there's no evidence he DIDN'T do that. You're just assuming.Playcalling / Offense:
At some point the HC has to step in and have his OC do something else
Nobody is saying injuries are an excuse. They're a factor. Not even Spagnuolo is using it as an excuse. Every team has injuries, but no team has them to this extent. Across the board. On both sides of the line. And not every team has the same quality of depth. Comparing different teams with different sets of circumstances is just weak. It really is. How did the mighty Pete Carroll adjust during the Browns game when they posted up a lofty 3 points? Or when he got blanked by Pittsburgh? Shouldn't he have been able to overcome and prevail? Or is he just one of the coaches that gets a pass because his last name isn't Spagnuolo?Player development
Injuries not an excuse. Seattle has had multiple injuries but they made the adustments and developed their players.
No? Well, they did. They also beat a team with Ray Rice, Joe Flacco and Torrey Smith/Anquan Boldin. There is also no way a team with Feeley, Jackson and Lloyd should beat the Saints. But they did. That's just a ridiculous statement - whoever uttered it. It happens all the time in the NFL.No way a team with Tavaris Jackson, Lynch, and M. WIlliams should beat Sam Bradford, SJ39, and Brandon Lloyd.
I'm sorry, but it's not time for that. Your apology is accepted though.Im sorry...but its time to clean house and get someone in who knows how to build a roster and delgate/run a team and not just "his side of the ball"
And if it's McDaniels who gets the call to step up, what do you have to say about the prospects of the future? And what if your "walk on water" imaginary coach has to deal with the same, identical set of circumstances? Head coaches should start forming a line here. I don't see any stability - at least from a fan perspective.On the brighter note, whoever come in will have a great core on defense (JL, Long, Quinn, and Mikell)
Then on offense we still has a young, very talented QB to build around.
I hear you. But I can't subscribe to much of what you're saying. You knew that though. He hasn't lost the team's respect, and they haven't checked out of his philosophy. The one common theme you hear from players is, "I don't know what the problem is. We just need to execute."ramsince62 said:Paul, you're right, we don't know the alternative or the possible choices going forward.....but sadly, I have to agree, I think Spags has lost them....not necessarily of his own making, but just circumstance.
It's easy for me to say this, but if I could "fix" things, I'd have Spags as DC and yes, McD as OC (continuity is becoming a priority)....but this team needs a leader, one who can inspire, motivate and create fear (respect).....if you asked me, my choice would be "Chucky", but there are 2 or 3 others out there just as capable....anyway, just my rambling 2 cents.
Gotcha. :ww: I think we understand each other.ramsince62 said:>>You knew that though. He hasn't lose the team's respect, and they haven't checked out of his philosophy. The one common theme you hear from players is, "I don't know what the problem is. We just need to execute." <<
Perhaps a poor choice of words on my part. When I say "lost", I'm not meaning to lose the teams respect per say. Instead, (to me) it's a mental thing, an acceptance of the situation, the reality. They're efforts now are because of who these players are, the 4 pillars, their character and yes even continued respect for their coach....for each other and pride as athletes, but that's a different synergy.
Certainly I understand that Spags could never (sadly) remain as DC. Isn't it unfortunate when ego and perception must over ride sound judgement and best fit....Anyway, I was just sayin "if I could fix it", pure fantasy on my part.
I'd never suggest that the business "is fair", the circumstances have indeed been unfair, IMO. If we still fielded the team as intended on day 1, would things be the same? I think not even close.
As for the "fear" thingy, it's simply a tool in the box.
X said:I hear you. But I can't subscribe to much of what you're saying. You knew that though. He hasn't lose the team's respect, and they haven't checked out of his philosophy. The one common theme you hear from players is, "I don't know what the problem is. We just need to execute."ramsince62 said:Paul, you're right, we don't know the alternative or the possible choices going forward.....but sadly, I have to agree, I think Spags has lost them....not necessarily of his own making, but just circumstance.
It's easy for me to say this, but if I could "fix" things, I'd have Spags as DC and yes, McD as OC (continuity is becoming a priority)....but this team needs a leader, one who can inspire, motivate and create fear (respect).....if you asked me, my choice would be "Chucky", but there are 2 or 3 others out there just as capable....anyway, just my rambling 2 cents.
Spagnuolo wouldn't remain as DC. I don't know that a head coach who gets fired remains as a coordinator. I can't think of an example in recent history where that has happened. He could very well be a coordinator on another team, and he would be great. As long as it wasn't in this division. I also don't believe that instilling fear is the only tried and true method of coaching. There are numerous examples of coaches who don't take that approach, and it's worked. Superbowl winning coaches too. If he's fired, he's fired. I'll only look upon it as premature and pretty unfair. But I won't lament it. I'll just get behind the next coach and wait to see if he's got what it takes to be a good head coach. And I'll hope upon hope that he doesn't get "Spagnuolo'd" during his tenure.
Angry Ram said:To be honest...JT doesn't hold any merit to me after how much he obsessed and blew out of proportion the whole equipment manager thing.