Neither of them have successful careers without Martz.
Yeah, I said it.
I'll say Kurt Warner too, and ask ... how was Vermeil successful? 1 NFC Championship game loss in his 9 years before Martz. If you think about it, that's the same "success" that Dennis Green had. And the only reason I'm bringing it up is because Martz would be an interesting poll option.I can agree with that(well...in Vermeil's case...he already had been successful). But to answer this question, Kurt Warner.
I'll say Kurt Warner too, and ask ... how was Vermeil successful? 1 NFC Championship game loss in his 9 years before Martz. If you think about it, that's the same "success" that Dennis Green had. And the only reason I'm bringing it up is because Martz would be an interesting poll option.
Neither of them have successful careers without Martz.
Yeah, I said it.
Would Warner have ever gotten his shot at stardom without Martz? You have to wonder if the offense takes that leap without him.Cardinals?
Would Warner have ever gotten his shot at stardom without Martz? You have to wonder if the offense takes that leap without him.
The Rams were 9-23 before he got here.
Of course. I meant SB loss and Conference loss for Denny. Is that the measure of success though? An appearance? Would he be viewed as successful if he didn't take the job in St Louis?Vermeil was successful with Philadelphia. And he went to the Super Bowl in Philly.
It's a fair question, but the fact is Green was lighting it up preseason W/O Marshal and was brought here because of work he'd done w/o the GSOT so it could be argued he WAS "Martz" when he got here.Does Martz become Martz without GSOT?
W/O Marshal and was brought here because of work he'd done w/o the GSOT so it could be argued he WAS "Martz" when he got here.
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Of course. I meant SB loss and Conference loss for Denny. Is that the measure of success though? An appearance? Would he be viewed as successful if he didn't take the job in St Louis?
K so how many more we gonna add to this poll ?That distinction can be given to Adam Timmerman. :wink:
That's an excellent question. Considering he was only a QB coach prior to joining the Rams, it's hard to say. He was the architect of that offense, and orchestrated the whole thing. To the point that Vermeil just decided to give him free reign instead of questioning his playcalling in different situations where any other OC or HC would dial it back. If the Rams made the same offseason moves and had, say, Saunders in 1999, would it be as successful?Does Martz become Martz without GSOT?
That's a good point.Yea. I'd say so. Going to a Super Bowl and having a record over .500 as a coach is successful to me. Especially when the team you took over hadn't had a winning record in a decade and hadn't been to the playoffs in over 15 years.