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Now, I always tell a waitress that asks me if Pepsi is ok that she'll have to ask the females at the table since Coke is for men.Now why you gotta bring in my drink of choice Pepsi into things?
Now, I always tell a waitress that asks me if Pepsi is ok that she'll have to ask the females at the table since Coke is for men.Now why you gotta bring in my drink of choice Pepsi into things?
Whats flawed IS the system. Look at the last 14 years and change. Arguably (I don't really want to argue) the worst run of "leadership" our country has ever seen. From all appearances nothing has changed. Does anyone really think any of these people on either side of the isle have the ability to change a system that self regulates from within? Money, money and influence.
If we continue on the path we have been on we are doomed.
Coke and Pepsi, same poison with a different ad campaign.
The next swearing in day cannot get here quick enough.
I just order ginger ale off the menu now, and 90% of the time I'll get it.Now, I always tell a waitress that asks me if Pepsi is ok that she'll have to ask the females at the table since Coke is for men.But honestly, I've tried to stop drinking those poisons although the urge wins out every once in a while, especially when up north and they don't serve sweet tea. What in the hell is wrong with you Yankees?
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People love to talk all this crap on Trump, saying he is a chauvinist. The dude goes for the throat. He isn't afraid to hit below the belt. He knows where it will hurt the most and he swings for it. He has said more rude crap to men than women, but because it's a woman, suddenly it's worse. Rosie is a freaking pig of a woman and she had it coming. I have no issue with someone, during an argument, saying any damn thing they want. There are no rules. That said, do I want that personality for my future president....not sure on that.
Rubio might be the first republican in the digital age that can woo votes for superficial reasons (he's good looking and a good speaker). That was the Bill Clinton strategy, and to some degree Obama. Some people actually fall for that and cast a vote for those reasons.
Did you grow up on Mars?Bruce Springsteen?Well that's what I get for growing up in a non-traditional American household.
Here's the (potential) problem I have noticed...It takes time to examine candidates, to become familiar with their record or their plans and policies for the country. The fact is that many people can't be bothered with that.
Now, I always tell a waitress that asks me if Pepsi is ok that she'll have to ask the females at the table since Coke is for men.But honestly, I've tried to stop drinking those poisons although the urge wins out every once in a while, especially when up north and they don't serve sweet tea. What in the hell is wrong with you Yankees?
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@PA Ram made a good point.
The founding fathers put in place a system that HEAVILY relied on its citizens being vigilantly participatory. Checks and Balances! Democracy is the hardest system of self-governance because it constantly requires maintenance by the citizenry. Hence the government OF the People, BY the People, FOR the People...
The problem now is that about half of the citizens of this country want NO PART of our democracy. I could go into the numbers of eligible voters vote in Presidential elections, but it's depressingly low. Since 1972, the percentage hadn't been above 55% until 2004 when it was 55.7% and in 2008, it peaked at 57.4 before coming down to 54.9% in 2012.
Barely half of our electorate wants to participate in the process and that's inclusive of the expansion of voting rights access (well, except lately when that's been attacked under the guise of voter fraud). The point being that beyond that when it comes to non-Presidential national elections, state and local elections, the turnouts are even worse.
And when it comes to other civic duties like jury duty, people can't run away fast enough. We all want a working judiciary and we want the smartest, most deliberative jurors possible should we ever be accused of a crime, but if we're ever called? It's pretty bad.
I've asked the question about whether we should still have democracy anymore or if we should pick a system that fits what we can actually live with. I'm not advocating for anything, but 55% turnout doesn't seem like a ringing endorsement. And no, I'm not for a Brazilian style mandatory voting because that causes a different set of problems.
I mean, the founding fathers built us a big ol' barn of a house, but it's the kind of house the requires a ton of maintenance. Almost half of the people in the house have no desire whatsoever to maintain the house at all. But we still need some kind of shelter. We've tried remodeling here and there and we constantly tinker, but we're not committed to making democracy work. And because of that lack of commitment, there are those who can and do take advantage of that and those who are taken advantage of. It's not what was intended.
And this pertains to the debates because at some point a candidate has to point the finger back at the people and ask the question back, "what government are you willing to work for?" We need some form of self-governance. No one wants a dystopian nightmare. The question is how to do it....and I don't profess to have the answer.
There's a reason OF the People and BY the People comes before FOR the People. That much I do know.
WE are the government, not these spokesmodels and entertainers posing as politicians.
I'd love for the debates on either side to really speak to the issues or rally the electorate to want to participate as was intended or to at the very least make clear where the candidates stand. Even that's pie in the sky fantasy.
The debates have become reality tv and we're all losers for that. Anyone remember Carter debating Reagan? I do. And maybe that's the problem. I have short term memory issues, but I remember. I remember that it wasn't always like this...it wasn't always this vapid and stupid and short-sighted.
I dunno. I watched part of the debates and I just couldn't do it. I remember William F Buckley, Jr and Noam Chomsky and watching The Dick Cavett Show when he'd have a politician on. It's a circus now and while I love the smell of popcorn... I'm just sick of the smell of elephant and donkey crap.
Sorry to hijack the thread, but this just felt like "the same ol' Disco" and I had this overwhelming urge to jump in with some Disco Demolition. I apologize if my Steve Dahl moment caused any damage...
Yup.Whats flawed IS the system. Look at the last 14 years and change. Arguably (I don't really want to argue) the worst run of "leadership" our country has ever seen. From all appearances nothing has changed. Does anyone really think any of these people on either side of the isle have the ability to change a system that self regulates from within? Money, money and influence.
If we continue on the path we have been on we are doomed.
Coke and Pepsi, same poison with a different ad campaign.
The next swearing in day cannot get here quick enough.
Kinda. Christie and Paul got into it a little bit. Trump just sounded like Trump, so people got to see how un-Statesman-like he is and how that would look if he was President. You know, compared to how guys like Bush and Carson come across. That whole "I speak my mind" stuff is gonna lose its appeal to people eventually. He won't tone it down, but he should because his messages are good.