Does anyone remember George Allen?

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Ramstien said:
Given away high draft picks for established talented veterans. If I remember correctly he had a pretty good record as a head coach.
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Alright I'll admit to puke making it up to my tongue while writing this but, Is that how the Patriots have stayed relevant for the past 19 years?
 
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coconut said:
Alright I'll admit to puke making it up to my tongue while writing this but, Is that how the Patriots have stayed relevant for the past 19 years?
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Now, they've money balled it. They tend to trade down and use the shotgun approach unless there's someone they are pretty certain is gonna work out. They also run an offense which requires a very particular type of player, so a guy who might not be worth a damn to 31 other teams can be a solid contributor with them.

Plenty of their OL left when their rookie deals were up and they didn't do well at their next stop. Login Mankins is one of the exceptions, iirc.

But yeah, they have always insisted on having CBs who could cover and a top notch LB corps, again which is kinda unique to them which is why they can get them lower.

I really wish more teams ran the EP, but coaches don't have the space to install it and you kinda need an Ernie Adams type to help with trends and whatnot.

But if you look at the Patriot drafts the last 10 years, your overriding question would be WHO?

It's a novel approach, but it's not scalable to the entire NFL. Plus, other than that one year with Matt Cassel, Belichick has had the same QB...in the same offense...for 19 years which is huge.
 
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Mackeyser said:
Now, they've money balled it. They tend to trade down and use the shotgun approach unless there's someone they are pretty certain is gonna work out. They also run an offense which requires a very particular type of player, so a guy who might not be worth a damn to 31 other teams can be a solid contributor with them.

Plenty of their OL left when their rookie deals were up and they didn't do well at their next stop. Login Mankins is one of the exceptions, iirc.

But yeah, they have always insisted on having CBs who could cover and a top notch LB corps, again which is kinda unique to them which is why they can get them lower.

I really wish more teams ran the EP, but coaches don't have the space to install it and you kinda need an Ernie Adams type to help with trends and whatnot.

But if you look at the Patriot drafts the last 10 years, your overriding question would be WHO?

It's a novel approach, but it's not scalable to the entire NFL. Plus, other than that one year with Matt Cassel, Belichick has had the same QB...in the same offense...for 19 years which is huge.
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I see some of what you are saying but have to disagree with the "not scalable" part. Also your "They also run an offense which requires a very particular type of player, so a guy who might not be worth a damn to 31 other teams can be a solid contributor with them." is a tremendous strategy for personnel. Going to the bone pile or the street or even getting the established veteran wanting to win is getting Super Bowl personnel for dollar store or thrift store prices in the day of the salary cap.

Continuity is huge but I believe it is more Belicheat and the front office than Brady. I'll bet they already know which NFL QB they want to replace Brady with when the time comes if not already Brady's back up.
 
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it can't be scaleable. Everyone can't shop from the bargain bin. There is limited supply. Plus, every receiver can't play in the EP. Heck, Sammy Watkins couldn't do our offense. He'd die in the EP.
 
Mackeyser said:
it can't be scaleable. Everyone can't shop from the bargain bin. There is limited supply. Plus, every receiver can't play in the EP. Heck, Sammy Watkins couldn't do our offense. He'd die in the EP.
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If by scalable you mean widespread throughout the NFL then I would agree. However more teams designing and committing to their offense and defense strategy for the long term with players not hyped nor widely coveted would provide the Patriots with meaningful competition in personnel acquisition. Of course identifying such players is the key. In MLB the Cardinals have had excellent success in identifying such players. So much so that when the Astros stole their scouting book(computer scouting files) they became instant contenders. Wasn't all the high draft picks from sucking from years but also knowing who to pick and trade for. My guess is the Patriots pay their front office extremely well.
 
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