A few things I’d like to get off my chest…

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There will be ample opportunity to discuss offseason moves and the draft in detail after the season.

But some generalities for now?

Gotta ‘fix’ the OL. Not gonna sugarcoat it. I like Jackson and Hav at OT, but our interior 3 positions all need upgrades pure and simple. FA and/or draft I don’t care, although proven FA’s would be quicker.

Other positions that need upgrades at varying degrees of urgency but all below OL priority:

RB (draft 1 every year)
Backup QB (just one, release both Wolford and Perkins)
TE (probably 2)
Edge (get 2, one by FA and the other via draft) Draft an edge every year until they hit paydirt).
CB (draft one every year)
Safety (might need 2)

Some painful decisions as follows:

Get what they can for Atwell, but probably will have to simply release him.

I would keep AR for another season. Hard to trade him cap-wise, anyway, and I’m seeing some growth between him and Stafford.

I would trade Floyd. He’s just a shadow of his former self and his upcoming cap hit will be a real burden. Cap savings can be better spent elsewhere.

Restructuring Kupp makes some sense IF Snead uses the money wisely.

Keep our 2nd and 3rd if at all possible. Rams desperately need low cost quality players at multiple positions. Someone may have to physically restrain Snead to save him from himself.

Snead needs to do a serious eval on his scouting staff because overall results in the 2nd-4th rounds have not been as good as needed and not as good as many other teams. A crucial component for success of his strategy of trading 1sts for players requires getting great (not just ‘pretty good’) players at least occasionally in those rounds consistently.

Particular emphasis in such an eval needs to examine scouting deficiencies at OL, RB, TE, and certainly Edge. Rams have sucked in those 4 critical areas for years.

McVay needs to take a hard, even ruthless look at his asst coaches with particular interest in their respective results. Can’t let friendships get in the way here. Some of these assistants have let him down. For example, I think Coen has been a monumental disappointment and has to go. Look at the results of O’Connell from last year to Coen this year.

Hope and pray that Morris gets hired away as a HC. Rams need the comp picks desperately and Morris’ strategy makes me crazy, anyway. Hire Fangio if he’s interested?

McVay should rethink his profiles for RB and OL players. Perhaps he’s asking Snead to find the ‘wrong’ types at these 2 positions for today’s NFL. Poor Ram running game for years suggests that this is the case.

Bottom line is that there will almost certainly be large turnover in player roster AND coaching roster come next offseason. We need the 2017 version of McVay willing to make fundamental changes to that 2016 player roster and coaching staff. Anything less probably won’t do. The good news is that McVay has done it before so why not again? More good news is that McVay has proven more than willing to part with non-performers in the past.

Whew! Felt good to get all that off my chest.
 

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I agree with most of this, but I think Snead and McVay need to resist what they see as shiny toys in rounds 2-4.

I also believe they need to change Morris' scheme to give the pass rushers a chance. Floyd has gotten there when he has a chance. However, I'm interested to see what the average snap time to release is for our opposing QBs when playing us. It's gotta be fast.

Also, how often do we blitz? It's probably in the bottom third of the league. Are we telegraphing our blitzes when we play tight man?
 

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Hope and pray that Morris gets hired away as a HC. Rams need the comp picks desperately and Morris’ strategy makes me crazy, anyway. Hire Fangio if he’s interested?
This times 1000

Morris is very good with his soft zone shit but like you said - it drives me batshit crazy

Let's try someone who likes an aggressive press approach to defenses.
 

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Just my opinion
 

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There will be ample opportunity to discuss offseason moves and the draft in detail after the season.

But some generalities for now?

Gotta ‘fix’ the OL. Not gonna sugarcoat it. I like Jackson and Hav at OT, but our interior 3 positions all need upgrades pure and simple. FA and/or draft I don’t care, although proven FA’s would be quicker.

Other positions that need upgrades at varying degrees of urgency but all below OL priority:

RB (draft 1 every year)
Backup QB (just one, release both Wolford and Perkins)
TE (probably 2)
Edge (get 2, one by FA and the other via draft) Draft an edge every year until they hit paydirt).
CB (draft one every year)
Safety (might need 2)

Some painful decisions as follows:

Get what they can for Atwell, but probably will have to simply release him.

I would keep AR for another season. Hard to trade him cap-wise, anyway, and I’m seeing some growth between him and Stafford.

I would trade Floyd. He’s just a shadow of his former self and his upcoming cap hit will be a real burden. Cap savings can be better spent elsewhere.

Restructuring Kupp makes some sense IF Snead uses the money wisely.

Keep our 2nd and 3rd if at all possible. Rams desperately need low cost quality players at multiple positions. Someone may have to physically restrain Snead to save him from himself.

Snead needs to do a serious eval on his scouting staff because overall results in the 2nd-4th rounds have not been as good as needed and not as good as many other teams. A crucial component for success of his strategy of trading 1sts for players requires getting great (not just ‘pretty good’) players at least occasionally in those rounds consistently.

Particular emphasis in such an eval needs to examine scouting deficiencies at OL, RB, TE, and certainly Edge. Rams have sucked in those 4 critical areas for years.

McVay needs to take a hard, even ruthless look at his asst coaches with particular interest in their respective results. Can’t let friendships get in the way here. Some of these assistants have let him down. For example, I think Coen has been a monumental disappointment and has to go. Look at the results of O’Connell from last year to Coen this year.

Hope and pray that Morris gets hired away as a HC. Rams need the comp picks desperately and Morris’ strategy makes me crazy, anyway. Hire Fangio if he’s interested?

McVay should rethink his profiles for RB and OL players. Perhaps he’s asking Snead to find the ‘wrong’ types at these 2 positions for today’s NFL. Poor Ram running game for years suggests that this is the case.

Bottom line is that there will almost certainly be large turnover in player roster AND coaching roster come next offseason. We need the 2017 version of McVay willing to make fundamental changes to that 2016 player roster and coaching staff. Anything less probably won’t do. The good news is that McVay has done it before so why not again? More good news is that McVay has proven more than willing to part with non-performers in the past.

Whew! Felt good to get all that off my chest.
When McVay first arrived we saw Snead leaning in the direction of football players instead of just athletes. Somehow he has gone back to his old habits, and it hasn’t panned out.

This makes me wonder, is Snead as great a talent evaluator as he’s given credit for? He focuses on Big Ten Olinemen. He loves physical freaks (Lewis, Tavon, Rochell, Atwell, Harris). Aside from Kupp, Donald and Big Rob, has any of his draft picks been really good? His other best players are from trades.
 

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When McVay first arrived we saw Snead leaning in the direction of football players instead of just athletes. Somehow he has gone back to his old habits, and it hasn’t panned out.

This makes me wonder, is Snead as great a talent evaluator as he’s given credit for? He focuses on Big Ten Olinemen. He loves physical freaks (Lewis, Tavon, Rochell, Atwell, Harris). Aside from Kupp, Donald and Big Rob, has any of his draft picks been really good? His other best players are from trades.
^^This
 

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We can't have a line full of all pros. We know that. But we need a respectable line. I'd be looking at Jackson at LT and keep Noteboom as the primary backup. Or if there is a better vet option in free agency I'd definitely be for that. The left tackle position is so important to a passing game. And the quarterback's well being.

Allen and Shelton aren't that good but they aren't that bad either. You could do worse. As long as they both don't go down at the same time the center position should be ok. What they need is better guard play. Mainly on the left side. They really need to upgrade there.

They're also gonna need an upgrade at running back. Akers is a shell of what he was his rookie year. Henderson is ok but more of a RB2 type of back. They need a legit RB1.

There are too many positions that need upgrading. I don't think its possible to address them all. They should focus first on the offensive line. After that they can look at what is available at edge rusher and running back.
 

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I don' t know the best way to quantify OL injuries, but I'm pretty sure we are several standard deviations away from the mean at this point. Just getting closer to the mean will help.
 

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I don’t think Morris gets a HC job - some clear deficiencies and coming off a poor season for the team. I just don’t see it. More likely he sticks around and the Rams eventually move him to HC when McVay leaves. I hope I’m very wrong
 

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Im wondering if Mcvay comes back.. he was contemplating leaving for the booth after last year, im not totally convinced he returns. If he doesn’t return does Morris get the job?? Please no. With the way this season has went that would be par for the course.
 

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Im wondering if Mcvay comes back.. he was contemplating leaving for the booth after last year, im not totally convinced he returns. If he doesn’t return does Morris get the job?? Please no. With the way this season has went that would be par for the course.

I think McVay is too driven to be satisfied leaving with only one ring and a very disappointing 2022 season.
 

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Im wondering if Mcvay comes back.. he was contemplating leaving for the booth after last year, im not totally convinced he returns. If he doesn’t return does Morris get the job?? Please no. With the way this season has went that would be par for the course.
Wouldn’t he look like a quitter, though? The team hits a tough spot and he bails?

I don’t see it. McVay will be back.
 

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I'm hoping the Browns part ways with Kevin Stefanski and the rest of their coaching staff in order to make OL Coach Bill Callahan available. I know that McVay & Callahan worked together in Washington and not sure if they have a good relationship, but if there is one guy I believe that can fix our offensive line woes it's Callahan and IMO, Callahan also is an excellent judge of talent.
 
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Wouldn’t he look like a quitter, though? The team hits a tough spot and he bails?

I don’t see it. McVay will be back.
Yes, it would look like as soon as things got tough, he quit. I don't expect that. I could see if things remained tough and his deal was up but not before.
 

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I like Wagner and don’t want Donald to retire but agree with the rest. Rams are in retool (not rebuild) mode IMO.
 

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There will be ample opportunity to discuss offseason moves and the draft in detail after the season.

But some generalities for now?

Gotta ‘fix’ the OL. Not gonna sugarcoat it. I like Jackson and Hav at OT, but our interior 3 positions all need upgrades pure and simple. FA and/or draft I don’t care, although proven FA’s would be quicker.

Other positions that need upgrades at varying degrees of urgency but all below OL priority:

RB (draft 1 every year)
Backup QB (just one, release both Wolford and Perkins)
TE (probably 2)
Edge (get 2, one by FA and the other via draft) Draft an edge every year until they hit paydirt).
CB (draft one every year)
Safety (might need 2)

Some painful decisions as follows:

Get what they can for Atwell, but probably will have to simply release him.

I would keep AR for another season. Hard to trade him cap-wise, anyway, and I’m seeing some growth between him and Stafford.

I would trade Floyd. He’s just a shadow of his former self and his upcoming cap hit will be a real burden. Cap savings can be better spent elsewhere.

Restructuring Kupp makes some sense IF Snead uses the money wisely.

Keep our 2nd and 3rd if at all possible. Rams desperately need low cost quality players at multiple positions. Someone may have to physically restrain Snead to save him from himself.

Snead needs to do a serious eval on his scouting staff because overall results in the 2nd-4th rounds have not been as good as needed and not as good as many other teams. A crucial component for success of his strategy of trading 1sts for players requires getting great (not just ‘pretty good’) players at least occasionally in those rounds consistently.

Particular emphasis in such an eval needs to examine scouting deficiencies at OL, RB, TE, and certainly Edge. Rams have sucked in those 4 critical areas for years.

McVay needs to take a hard, even ruthless look at his asst coaches with particular interest in their respective results. Can’t let friendships get in the way here. Some of these assistants have let him down. For example, I think Coen has been a monumental disappointment and has to go. Look at the results of O’Connell from last year to Coen this year.

Hope and pray that Morris gets hired away as a HC. Rams need the comp picks desperately and Morris’ strategy makes me crazy, anyway. Hire Fangio if he’s interested?

McVay should rethink his profiles for RB and OL players. Perhaps he’s asking Snead to find the ‘wrong’ types at these 2 positions for today’s NFL. Poor Ram running game for years suggests that this is the case.

Bottom line is that there will almost certainly be large turnover in player roster AND coaching roster come next offseason. We need the 2017 version of McVay willing to make fundamental changes to that 2016 player roster and coaching staff. Anything less probably won’t do. The good news is that McVay has done it before so why not again? More good news is that McVay has proven more than willing to part with non-performers in the past.

Whew! Felt good to get all that off my chest.

A starting Oline next season of Noteboom, Jackson, Allen, Bruss, Havenstein seems very possible to me and, on it's face, looks like a good unit. I put Jackson at guard over tackle because I'm looking at getting the best 5 lineman on the field and Noteboom is better than Shelton, for sure.
That puts the Rams at 7 OL that I think are reasonable when you add Shelton and Anchrum. Then the Qs.. Do they re-sign Nsekhe? Do they draft a legit tackle who could play either side? Do they draft a Center? If they draft two liheman, that's puts them at 9.. and doesn't take into account Arcuri or Brewer. I think there's a very good chance they don't draft Ol high.

RB? Yep. Praying for someone dynamic. Probably take a second round pick to land.
Backup QB upgrade? Would be nice, but is low on my draft list. Too many other real needs. And if you get the line and RB fixed, things look much, much different.

TE? I think they roll with what's on there now.. although maybe Carter is ready to contribute next year.

Edge? Please.. PLEASE. But.. how? If they think they can correct most of the deficiencies this offseason.. I can see them rolling into next season, again, with a less-than-stellar edge group.. hoping to land someone at the trade deadline. There's just not a lot of hope for serious edge help unless you get lucky, once you're out of the first and second round. So.. RB or edge? I pick RB because you're more likely to get an RB that can really produce as a rookie in second round than Edge.

CB? Sure.. but, I will say that I hope Durant, Kendrick and Rochell can grow.. and I'd bring Haley back. Troy Hill is a FA.. we'll see what happens there.
Safety? Maybe they keep Scott.. hopefully Fuller finds health.. and maybe Yeast and Lake can play. This may not be a draft priority at all.

No one is giving you jack for Atwell unless you get him the ball this season and show he's worth something.

You're not trading Floyd.. for cap reasons and because you literally have nothing else at the edge and no way to replace him.

They need to take a hard look at every level of the organization.. scouting to coaching.

As far as evaluating Coen this year, though.. I mean... how could we possibly know if he's up to the task with the pile of shit thrown at him.... and is it his organization/play design and install that's the problem? Or McVay's play calling?
 

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I'm hoping the Browns part ways with Kevin Stefanski and the rest of their coaching staff in order to make OL Coach Bill Callahan available. I know that McVay & Callahan worked together in Washington and not sure if they have a good relationship, but if there is one guy I believe that can fix our offensive line woes it's Callahan and IMO, Callahan also is an excellent judge of talent.
I dont know why the Rams dont make Callahan the OC since McVay calls the plays any way. Then they dont need Cleveland to so a house cleaning and they can just "promote" him
 

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I dont know why the Rams dont make Callahan the OC since McVay calls the plays any way. Then they dont need Cleveland to so a house cleaning and they can just "promote" him
Problem is, I think I read someplace that Callahan & McVay did not see eye to eye offensively, hope I'm wrong about that.
 

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Problem is, I think I read someplace that Callahan & McVay did not see eye to eye offensively, hope I'm wrong about that.
McVay also let or pushed Aaron Kromer to leave for unexplained reasons. It's fair to conclude that Kromer walked because he was unhappy about something. Be interesting to know what the dispute was in light of Rams' current situation.