Dxmissile said:

Who is painting him as a hero. He had 3 days to prepare a team. What did they have to lose nothing I didn't have a problem with the call and it's only stupid when it doesn't work. This team has nothing to fight for so why not go all out

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He only had 3 days to prepare, then he shouldn't have been focusing on an ill conceived fake punt that everyone was expecting.

Zodi said:

At this point, I'm just hoping for no injuries.

Can we field a B-team?

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There is strong evidence we are.

Shanahan's had success with 3 different teams. To me that's a proven track record. And if he' successful, as young as he is, he would fit the Kroenke model of longevity in a coach. If he brought in his father in some capacity that would be even better. A lot to like with this guy.

I heard on Mike & Mike an interview with his dad Mike that a his son would be a better fit.Basicly saying it's a young coaches gig. He would be open to front office type stuff in putting a team together.
He thinks Kyle is ready .
--Add to it Rahim Morris would be a nice change at DC in my mind.

Agreed, being an HC is different from an OC or DC, and while Kyle Shanahan is still my favorite choice, my expectations for him is to manage the team in the big picture, not fix the offense alone. His hires at the OC, DC, positional coaches, and intuition to adapt will determine if he's worth the merit.

I, along with most on here are obviously biased towards the Rams and feel that it's the better job. However, after taking a closer look, the Jacksonville job isn't too far behind.

The biggest asset to consider would be the QB's. I would favor Goff over Bortles at this point. Bortles has regressed considerably after showing promise while Goff is still an unknown. I wouldn't think there would be much difference in arm talent but Goff is 2 years younger. The Jaguars' GM has recently said that the new coach wouldn't be forced to make it work with Bortles so they may wind up having to find a new QB but they also have a likely top 3 draft pick. This might be even depending on how a candidate feels about Goff.

I'll give a slight edge to the Jacksonville O-Line because of pass protection. Neither team can run block for crap.

Gurley is way better than anyone they have. Robinson, Hearns, Lee and Julius Thomas vs. Britt, Quick, Tavon and Kendricks, you do the math.

As for the defenses, both are young and talented. The Jaguar defense is currently ranked #7 overall. We have the best punter in the league.

Then you have the cities themselves, LA vs. Jacksonville. Would the coach be a "star" type comfortable with the limelight. I personally love living here in So Cal but it ain't for everyone. Plus living in Florida isn't too shabby either. I don't know what the media scrutiny is like in Jacksonville but Fisher was eaten alive here in LA. I've heard on the radio that Gruden and his family are moving to So Cal (regardless of coaching job) and Asshole Face has a daughter that attends one of the local universities so those maybe factors as well.

Might just come down to $$$. Stan has more than Kahn but as many athletes have pointed out, there are no state income taxes in Florida.

Dagonet said:

Give me the Blue Note games.

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Starting the 1st of the year I will start putting up games on a regular basis.

Just asking is all. NHL wise I would wager on the Blues and a few other teams. NCAA more so national games, but like tonight, would wager on Illini/Mizzou braggin rights game if odds were decent. Just asking is all. I know this is work and you don't get paid for it. Much appreciated.

Billy Baroo said:

Heard the same interview. King says Rams were very high on Schiano before they hired Fisher and he may be in play again now. uke:

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Not a chance.

King has no idea wtf is going on with the Rams because his network is primarily on the least coast. His take follows that, since whatever they do would be a surprise to him.

The key here is what the Saints are telling the Rams they want in compensation. That plus maybe how badly Sean wants this job. I am sure he wants it, but how much? Enough to tell ownership they're gonna have an unhappy coach on their hands if they don't make this happen? That type of thing can influence cost of the trade since it undermines the Saints' position.

I believe the Saints realize Payton has outgrown them. He's ready for the bigtime job, and they can take a flyer on another up and coming coach. Question is whether cash considerations would be enough.

Elway is an outlier. Most ex-players are probably going to crash and burn in a GM type environment. And yes, he is not really an option anyway.

I'd prefer the Rams blanket front offices to unearth guys who have busted their butts from scout on up, guys who have done the work. Sustained success in this league is about the draft. Rams are better than they were, but still not good enough there. They need to get this right.

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The 49ers announced Monday that they have signed linebacker Ray-Ray Armstrong to a two-year contract extension.

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I think we miss Ray Ray and Bates...
Find udfa talent...then refuse to retain said talent...just silly.

Rams43 said:

You are my favorite "go to" guy regarding OL matters, Bonifay. Let me riddle you this... Why in the world would all 5 OL starters simultaneously take a step backward in '16? This dilemma is far more than just about GRob. I don't see any way that it's not at least significantly related to coaching. Therefore, new coaching might enable the Rams to dramatically improve their OL play. GRob could be starter at LOT or riding the pine in '17 or somewhere in between.

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Here's a review of what I know.....in an attempt to answer your riddle.:santa:I do think its much bigger than GRob.

OG Jamon Brown -Boudreau started JB @ RG in all 4 pre season games. JB did not have a good pre season fact is it was bad. JB appeared not to be fully recovered from the surgery & broken leg from November of 2015. JB & Cody Wichmann rotated in wk#1 & RG . JB was demoted to swing OG position for Wk#2. When Cody was injured JB regained starting RG wk#5 & wk#6. At some point during wk#7 JB broke his hand. JB had surgery to repair a metacarpal fracture in his right hand & was inactive for a month. JB next starting action came @ LG wk#12 & wk#13 for starting LG Saffold. JB is a reserve OG. Has JB's performance regressed? was JB slow to recover from the broken leg his rookie season? Has the coaches decision to flip flop playing side & positions... caused his poor play that lost his starting post? Did the broken hand injury & surgery cause him issues? Its a questionable hard response to say here that JB regressed after his one rookie season where he only finished 8 games as a NFL starter...is it due to coaching.

OG Rodger Saffold started the 2016 season coming off two reconstructive shoulder surgeries & rehabbing events. RS took over the RT starting post very early in OTA's & continued to start @ RT in TC & all of pre season. Opening game Boudreau flipped RS from RT to LG. Saffold looked very light on his feet & played very well in pre season @ RT. RS has not looked as good @ LG as he had @ RT earlier this season. Saffold started wk 12 @ LT for GRob and looked good in the first two series without any mistakes or blocking issues. But RS broke his hand in the 1st quarter & had surgery on 12/1/16. Missed one full game & 3/4 of another. RS return to start @ LG since that event. Hard to judge if RS has regressed this season due to the fact that RS was IR'd for the last two previous seasons while playing OG. So what are we basing this regression on...I thought he looked good @ RT with no regression IMO. Maybe the real fact is Saffold is really much more NFL OT than OG. Tell me how many good full NFL seasons RS has had @ OG???? NONE would be the correct answer. so what is our bases here to judge this regression on. IMO Saffold is a good NFL OT...not so good NFL OG.

OC Tim Barnes injured his foot on 11/2016 & has been battling through pain ever since & surgery is not out of the question when the season ends. This is TB's 2nd season as starting center. Once again TB has played & started & made line calls with four different starting OG playing next to him. He also has 2 starting OT's who's performance is far below average. Has TB regressed due to coaching or is it because of an ongoing nagging serious injury?

RT Rob Havenstein- We were informed very little about this supposed foot injury of RH when OTA's was on going. We learned he was PUP'd early with a foot injury of some type. We did not see any of RH in TC or most of pre season. But it was uncovered by one reporter & finally confirmed that big Rob broke his big toe very early in OTA's . This of course is a way bigger deal than a "foot issue" as reported by Fisher. RH was the best Ram OL'er in 2015 season where he did not allow a sack & opened gapping holes for Gurley. Playing all season on a broken toe might cause some little issues in RH play you think. So yes RH has regressed significantly but was it due to coaching? or injury?

OG Cody Wichmann- Started 7 games @ RG in 2015 after spending all of TC & preseason dealing with a two different calf injuries. Boudreau played CW exclusively @ LG in place of Rodger Saffold who was starting @ RT for all of TC & pre season for Havenstein. On the opening season game Boudreau flipped CW back to RG & rotated CW & Jamon Brown at this position. Wk#2 CW started @ RG & played well in the Seattle game which we won. CW continued to start @ RG with the Ram winning the 3 games he was healthy # starting. Wk#5 10/9/16 CW suffered a ankle injury then missed the following week of practice & was not active for the Lions game. CW has not played well since. Fact is after his poor play against the New England wk#13 he was sat down & Andrew Donnal the swing OT was inserted into CW starting post. CW was active wk#14 but was inactive for wk #15. Due to the situation with CW....Reserve RG David Arkin was brought up from the PS in place of CW.

OG/OT Andrew Donnal may have started earlier @ RG in place of CW but the Rams sat down GRob wk#12 & Donnal was the 3rd swing OT behind starters @ OT Saffold & Havenstein. Donnal due to a broken hand by Saffold in the 1st quarter played most of the game @ OLT it may have been the vest mistake free play seen @ OLT all season. Donnal was also battling through a thigh injury that occurred against the Pats. Sure appears that AD 2016 performance has improved not regressed.

Greg Robinson - Not more needs to be said here..Grob played his best NFL football during the later half of last season. It would not be wrong to state that GRob's performance late in 2015 was tied up with the placement of Garrett Reynolds as starter @ LG. Garrett was injury released when the 2016 season began & with that GRob's performance went south...yes GRob has regressed but is it due to GRob or coaching?

Mackeyser said:

I'm agreeing with you that Goff has flaws.

I think I may disagree as to the extent of those flaws or perhaps the attribution.

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Respect your opinion Mac...
I've seen rookie QB's....Marino, Elway, Aikman....seen these new ones Newton, Winston, Marriota....Saw Stafford, Ryan, Dalton...Watched Sam....

Goff looks more like Akili Smith, Cade McNown, Brandon Weedon...than Elway, or Ryan....so, he has quite a ways to go b4 any elite play. Hell, If I'm being honest, Johnny Manziel looked better.

And you can't say every good rookie played in a great offense. Just not true.

badnews said:

How many of you still give a crap about Goffs "small hands"?

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So all the fumbles, and bad throws in cold weather is just what? didn't even wanna PASS in the rain...hell yeah, hand size matters..maybe bigger hands he puts that ball on Quick in the endzone....

Fun as it was, I've seen that game enough times over the years...

ozarkram said:

What was your handle on the yahoo Rams board same as here?

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Was CTRAMFAN everywhere else except here at ROD

Psycho_X said:

I read this twice and the middle part of it made no sense whatsoever ...

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It also made no sense to omit that 10-5-1 49ers team got their ass whooped 49-3 in the playoffs in one of the most beautiful NFL games of all-time.

Zero said:

Without that balance, the under-talented Keenum and the inexperienced Goff have struggled to take advantage of the roster’s talented receiving corps,

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Kind of a bush move against a team that just lost their coach and had less than 200 yards in the game.....payback is a beach Pete.

UKram said:

So his online last year helped him get to the pro bowl (pretty much the same five players minus Reynolds ) and the guy that gave up exactly zero sacks last year is suddenly sucky ... can we upgrade over Hav ? Yeah ... but I'd look at other positions before I'd go after him ... like our "franchise" LT

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Exactly...my solution is to move our franchise LT to RT....let Havenstein ride the bench...He's given up enough sacks this year to prove last year was a fluke. Dude doesn't have the ability to be a productive player in the league right now...and that's not coaching...that's the scouts.

I hope Skip Bayless leaves Earth for Mars.

jrry32 said:

When you go with that traditional method, the GM is the HC's boss. The top HC candidates aren't going to want a boss. They're going to want a partner.

Who would I prefer choosing our next HC? I'm really not too concerned about that. There's no guarantee we land a Polian/Wolf/McKenzie type. Even if we do, McKenzie's first HC hire was a failure (Dennis Allen).

I'd prefer us to get the best HC possible. So I'd prefer us to utilize the method that won't have top candidates refusing to take our job.



And Pete Carroll picked his own GM, John Schneider. That also panned out well. Whereas McKenzie and his first HC, Dennis Allen, did not.

Which tells me that you need both a good HC and a good GM for the organization to be successful.

Here's also one big flaw in the logic here. Who would you prefer to be choosing our next GM? A Belichick/Carroll/Andy Reid type? Or Demoff?

Because while our GM would choose our HC, Demoff would be the one choosing the GM. So you're still not getting rid of Demoff's voice in the process. Due to that, I'd rather Demoff get his choice of any HC and then that HC work with the team on what GM to hire.

I also don't agree with the people who say Demoff isn't qualified to make these sort of calls. Plus, Demoff won't be doing it alone.

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I can see how two reasonable people could see this differently, jrry32.

Tons of examples of successes and failures both ways.

But if it's my call, I get the GM first. Then HE hires the HC.

Not sure I'm crazy about any of the "name" candidates that might insist on "final say" authority, anyway. Almost a deal breaker for me, actually.

The tail has been wagging the dog for 5 years here, already. Enough...

Good for JJ. He deserves good health going into the playoffs.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/12/19/jaguars-want-to-talk-to-tom-coughlin/

Jaguars want to talk to Tom Coughlin
Posted by Josh Alper on December 19, 2016

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The Jaguars won’t be able to talk to any coaches currently employed by NFL teams until the season comes to an end, but one candidate for the job isn’t bound by those restrictions.

Former Jaguars and Giants coach Tom Coughlin is now working for the league office, but the possibility of a return to Jacksonville has been bandied about at points this year in relation to Bradley’s expected departure. During a press conference on Monday, Jaguars General Manager David Caldwell said that the team is interested in talking to Coughlin.

It’s not known if Coughlin shares that interest, but he has said he’s interested in coaching since parting ways with the Giants in January. Caldwell also said interim head coach Doug Marrone will be a candidate and that he’s received “numerous phone calls” about the job since dispatching Bradley after Sunday’s loss to the Texans.

“I think it’s going to be an attractive job,” Caldwell said, via Ryan O’Halloran of the Florida Times Union.

Coughlin was the first head coach in Jaguars history and went 68-60 over eight seasons. That run included four playoff berths and a pair of trips to the AFC title game.

My first choice is McDaniel. I like that he crashed and burned in his first try as head coach. It is a big lesson learned. He has had a lot of years to grind on it. By all accounts he is a very bright person who was humbled and will learn from his mistakes. I like that his offenses go after the other teams weakness. You never hear "we gotta get our running game going. It's what we do". If passing is what you do best, then passing is what you do. I also remember Belicheat also crashed and burned his first time. Not so much the second time. Lastly I hate the idea of a retread head coach or a college coach. Most of the best college coaches fail in the NFL . Saban, the old ball coach, Kelly, ect.

SteezyEndo said:

Is this suppose to be a fill in the blank? I Really! Really thought the ________ could Win this game! But it wasn't meant to happen!

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Typo, and I didn't proof read my post!! Fixed it, Thanks!